TP-FSA connection, Zelda Informer theory

Probably the most controversial part of the timeline is the connection between Twilight Princess and FSA. Probably the most random connection that makes almost no sense at all.

Now I believe the timeline from HH is completely canon, but when HH came out, TP-FSA was a part of the timeline that I'm sure confused everyone.

Including Zelda Informer:

Two Sides To The Story: For and Against the Official Timeline Placement of Four Swords Adventures :: Zelda Informer

Now they aren't going against it either, they're just addressing the confusion with the two games. So now what's your take?

Frankly I wouldn't go with either of their ideas. I would have put it during the period between LA and LoZ, that way the reappearance of Ganon in LoZ is explained neatly as this reborn one escaping the seal.
But in the article the idea is dismissed rather quickly without evidence, why couldn't FSA happen after the death of Ganon but before the events of the Triforce wielding monarch?

FSA and FS arent even relevant to any story of the timeline IMO. they were just fun games..espescially FS. IDK those games were just whatever to me when it came to timelines. MC too really... it kinda fell with LA cause that was just another whatever game. no actual relevance to the Triforce and what not and hyrule.. just my opinion though

It's not a random connection. I think it was always meant to be this way. Since I posted about this in another thread, I'll just copypaste it here:

Originally Posted by AStinkToThePast

I'd like to point out that there was a removed portion of Ganondorf's dying speech at the end TP that suggests his eventual reincarnation and that his death was just the beginning of the battle between Light and Shadow. FSA fits that description perfectly, as it features both a reincarnated Ganondorf and a continuation of the battle between Shadow and Light.

I don't know why it was removed, but it does reveal developer intent at one point in development. It could possibly have been removed for the same reason the Master Sword references were removed from FSA.

Strangely, it's surprisingly similar to Demise's speech at the end of SS. Perhaps they took it out so that it could be used in another game.

As you can see:

FSA is the only game that features a reincarnated human Ganondorf. TP would have been the only game to reference his eventual reincarnation.

FSA originally had Master Sword references in it(but they were removed). TP featured the Master Sword in it.

FSA and TP both deal with the war between Light and Shadow. They both have references to a tribe that was sealed away in a mirror. Whether the tribe in FSA is the Twili or not doesn't really matter, because the theme of Light vs. Shadow still remains. It's possible that there were several Dark Interloper tribes that were sealed away in different mirrors. It also involves Hyrule gradually getting covered up in darkness, much like how Hyrule was being covered in darkness in Twilight Princess. Once again, Light vs. Shadow.

I find it sort of strange that these two games had their major timeline connections removed... it seems as if they were trying to avoid giving the timeline away. Or perhaps, they wanted to keep it deliberately vague in case they decided to add another game that takes place in between the two.

If the mirror in FSA truly is the mirror of twilight. That means the dark tribe are the Twili. But the mirror is still there and fully functional in FSA. So it cannot be the mirror of twilight. Because the mirror was destroy in TP. The only way for them to be the same mirror is that FSA happens in another timeline than the CT.

Originally Posted by AStinkToThePast

It's not a random connection. I think it was always meant to be this way. Since I posted about this in another thread, I'll just copypaste it here:



As you can see:

FSA is the only game that features a reincarnated human Ganondorf. TP would have been the only game to reference his eventual reincarnation.

FSA originally had Master Sword references in it(but they were removed). TP featured the Master Sword in it.

FSA and TP both deal with the war between Light and Shadow. They both have references to a tribe that was sealed away in a mirror. Whether the tribe in FSA is the Twili or not doesn't really matter, because the theme of Light vs. Shadow still remains. It's possible that there were several Dark Interloper tribes that were sealed away in different mirrors. It also involves Hyrule gradually getting covered up in darkness, much like how Hyrule was being covered in darkness in Twilight Princess. Once again, Light vs. Shadow.

I find it sort of strange that these two games had their major timeline connections removed... it seems as if they were trying to avoid giving the timeline away. Or perhaps, they wanted to keep it deliberately vague in case they decided to add another game that takes place in between the two.

Interesting. But where did you get the removed text?

Also, it sort-of seemed to give the inclination of Ganondorf knowing that he would be revived which is something that's never been the case before.

The fact that FSA was supposed to be the Imprisoning War before Aonuma "up-ended the tea-table" is also interesting. But what makes it such a weird connection is the random appearance of the Four Sword, Force Gems, Vaati, etc.

Ganondorf's speach is pretty interesting. It seems that he is basically saying that if Link or Zelda obtains a piece of the Triforce, one "who shares the same blood" as Ganondorf is born in order to balance things out. Except... did FSA Link or Zelda obtain the Triforce in the game?

Originally Posted by tlozbj

If the mirror in FSA truly is the mirror of twilight. That means the dark tribe are the Twili. But the mirror is still there and fully functional in FSA. So it cannot be the mirror of twilight. Because the mirror was destroy in TP. The only way for them to be the same mirror is that FSA happens in another timeline than the CT.

The games don't exclude the possibility of there being two mirrors of twilight...

Ya, I think there are two mirrors of twilight. They're two different entrances that lead to the same place, only one is kept in the desert, the other in the forest.

It's exactly like how in Skyward Sword there were two Gates of Time; one in the desert, the other in the forest.

Originally Posted by Totakeke

Ya, I think there are two mirrors of twilight. They're two different entrances that lead to the same place, only one is kept in the desert, the other in the forest.

It's exactly like how in Skyward Sword there were two Gates of Time; one in the desert, the other in the forest.

That actually makes sense.
Even nature works that way.
For example: Women do not have two breasts in the case for the rare occurance to feed two infants such as twins, but as a coverage if one of the two breasts cannot produce anymore milk.

The Sages did know, that the leader of the twilight tribe was able to destroy the mirror, so it wouldn't be so false to think that the sages had another mirror.
Unfortunatly this might contradict the plot of Twilight Princess as the Sages could have send Link and Midna to the forrest instead to search for the mirror pieces.
However since the pieces of the mirror are able to corrupt other lifeforms into monsters, like the fused shadow the sages certainly wanted to remove the possibility of victims to the mirror.
Therefore, it was better to retrive the shards for the sake of anyone.

Originally Posted by Totakeke

Ya, I think there are two mirrors of twilight. They're two different entrances that lead to the same place, only one is kept in the desert, the other in the forest.

It's exactly like how in Skyward Sword there were two Gates of Time; one in the desert, the other in the forest.

That would contradict the whole TP ending. First Zelda says that now she knewd why the goddesses had left the mirror of twilight of Hyrule not the mirrors. Midna the twilight princess should know if another mirror exists. But she says that while that mirror exist they can meet again. Then she destroys the mirror and goodbye to the only entrance to the Twilight realm.
Unless when she says "Link I...See you later" Is what she really meant. But she probably meant "Link I...love you" but decided not to in the last moment.

I believe that while there are two mirrors, they don't have to both be Twilight Mirrors - there is a Twilight Mirror and a Dark Mirror. It's even stated in-games that the mirrors operate differently. The Twilight Mirror has the capability to banish/send people to the Twilight Realm, while the Dark Mirror has been used to seal a dark tribe (game never specifies where, am I correct?) AND is said to reveal the evil that lies within a person, bringing it to life (i.e. Dark Links). Since the second capability of the Dark Mirror is never revealed for the Twilight Mirror, I believe they cannot be the same mirror! I see no reason why two similar but different mirrors couldn't be created and placed in the desert and forest much like the Doors of Time.

Originally Posted by Thanatos-Zero

Unfortunatly this might contradict the plot of Twilight Princess as the Sages could have send Link and Midna to the forrest instead to search for the mirror pieces.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

That would contradict the whole TP ending. First Zelda says that now she knewd why the goddesses had left the mirror of twilight of Hyrule not the mirrors. Midna the twilight princess should know if another mirror exists. But she says that while that mirror exist they can meet again. Then she destroys the mirror and goodbye to the only entrance to the Twilight realm.

The idea is that during TP, nobody (not even the sages) knew of the existence or the whereabouts of the second mirror, just as the existence and whereabouts of the second gate of time were kept hidden in Skyward Sword. The second entrance to the Twilight realm would not be discovered until the time of FSA.

Originally Posted by ZeldaHistorian

It's even stated in-games that the mirrors operate differently. The Twilight Mirror has the capability to banish/send people to the Twilight Realm, while the Dark Mirror has been used to seal a dark tribe (game never specifies where, am I correct?) AND is said to reveal the evil that lies within a person, bringing it to life (i.e. Dark Links). Since the second capability of the Dark Mirror is never revealed for the Twilight Mirror, I believe they cannot be the same mirror!

Actually, the second capability of the Dark Mirror that you mention, is in fact revealed for the Twilight Mirror. In TP, when Link is about to collect the mirror shard from Yeta in the ice mansion, the shard feeds off her lust and greed for the mirror, transforming her into an evil monster.

Originally Posted by Totakeke

The idea is that during TP, nobody (not even the sages) knew of the existence or the whereabouts of the second mirror, just as the existence and whereabouts of the second gate of time were kept hidden in Skyward Sword. The second entrance to the Twilight realm would not be discovered until the time of FSA.

Midna should had know she was the ruler of twilight after all. Also if the mirror was used to seal a dark tribe. That probably are the Twili. Because I am prettt sure there are no more dark tribes in hyrule. The dark mirror should had been known to the people of Hyrule.

Actually, the second capability of the Dark Mirror that you mention, is in fact revealed for the Twilight Mirror. In TP, when Link is about to collect the mirror shard from Yeta in the ice mansion, the shard feeds off her lust and greed for the mirror, transforming her into an evil monster.

Great point! This probably means that the mirrors are the same kind of mirror with the same capabilities, but I still believe there are two different mirrors. I like this more because it makes them more like the two Doors of Time!

Midna should had know she was the ruler of twilight after all.

Just because she ruled the land, doesn't mean she necessarily knew ALL of its secrets. It's also possible that the second mirror was even unknown to the Twili, especially if it had never been used. In this case the other end of the portal that would be created to the Twilight Realm would never had been seen!

Because I am prettt sure there are no more dark tribes in hyrule.

Okay: The Twili, Dark Interlopers, Agahnim (Tribe of Evil), Veran's people, the tribe mentioned in Majora's Mask, etc... None of the disparate "Dark Tribes" have been connected in the canon.

Originally Posted by ZeldaHistorian

. It's also possible that the second mirror was even unknown to the Twili, especially if it had never been used. In this case the other end of the portal that would be created to the Twilight Realm would never had been seen!



Okay: The Twili, Dark Interlopers, Agahnim (Tribe of Evil), Veran's people, the tribe mentioned in Majora's Mask, etc... None of the disparate "Dark Tribes" have been connected in the canon.

But wasn't it use to seal a dark tribe. So it had to be known in the Twilight realm if they do lead to the same place and are the same mirror.

Twili=dark interlopers. They are the same thing. The interlopers where seal in the twilight realm and their descendants are the Twili. The tribe of evil maybe some interlopers that escaped justice. Why are we talking about Veran and the tribe who used Mm if they are not from Hyrule

But wasn't it use to seal a dark tribe. So it had to be known in the Twilight realm if they do lead to the same place and are the same mirror.

It was used to seal a Dark Tribe, but we don't know when that happened. It's entirely possible this happened between TP and FSA and it's some other Dark Tribe. My point is that the game is very unclear on the matter.

Twili=dark interlopers. They are the same thing.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that the Dark Interlopers are the same as any other Dark Tribe. Like I said, there have been many Dark Tribes spoken about in the series, and they've never been truly connected. I was just talking about Veran and MM as more evidence of the various Dark Tribes, whether in Hyrule or not they are part of the canon.

But if the mirror was unknown to the people of Hyrule. Then how in the world did they find it and used it.
The only way for them to be connected or be the same is that FSA happens in another timeline than Tp.

Could be that when the wars over the Triforce occurred there were two tribes that were judged harshly for crossing the line by the Goddesses: the Twili for making the Fused Shadow and the Zuna for making the Trident of Power and they both got similar punishments but weren't mentioned in each other's games because they weren't relevant to the current crisis in each game.

The Dark Mirror could've been unknown to the people of Hyrule at the time of TP, but discovered and utilized sometime before FSA. We don't know how much time there is between TP and FSA, right?
I like riomhaire's theory actually. If the Zuna created the Trident of Power after TP, then they could've been banised by utilizing the second (likely newly discovered) mirror after the first had been destroyed.