Post-HH theorizing

I'm actually liking the fact I can still make my own timeline, but its hard because I always want to go by HHs timeline. I'm up for not believing HHs timeline anyday. I also like The Doctor's idea and I think it should go ALttP-OoX-LA. It makes more sense.

I can see why people would wish to take HH's timeline so seriously. We've been waiting for it forever! If it really is just what the creators "think" the timeline was and not "this is what it is" then I guess we can keep making Zelda timelines. But HH's timeline didn't ruin theorizing. There are still loads of other things to theorize about such as Zelda geography, people, future zelda, etc. Although time continuitiy has arguably been the biggest part of Zelda theorizing, we can still theorize about it just as we could anything else in Zelda.

What really confuses me is that the creators and the people that helped make this timeline have contradicted the HH timeline (before and after release).
Someday I'll figure out the timeline. Then again, it's probably more likely that Ganondorf would decide to have a party with Link and co. than me figuring it out!

Originally Posted by riomhaire

I too miss being able to argue my crazy timeline.

R.I.P.

TMC - tLoZ/AoL - OoT - TWW/PH - ST
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------------------------MM - TP/LCT - FS/FSA - ALttP/LA/AST - OoX

I'm sorry, but what is AST?

It's the non-canon Satellaview(?) game Ancient Stone Tablets, about some kid from another world (I think) going to Hyrule to fight wraith!Ganon after LttP.

Oh that's cool Darth Yoshi! I've never heard of it, is it in USA?

I don't think so. AFAIK, the Satellaview was a Japan-only deal. Here's the wiki page on it.

I really don't agree too much. You can't discount any information that has come from the people who created the item you're arguing about. Aonuma did say something along the lines of people having their own creditable timelines and other things, but HH has some information that is cannon and can't be considered otherwise, such as the Hero's Shade.

^What about clear mistakes that Hyrule Historia makes like confusing the Fire and Spirit Medallions/Sages though? Doesn't that throw some of the other stuff that doesn't agree with in-game information into question?

Originally Posted by Volvagia_slayer

^What about clear mistakes that Hyrule Historia makes like confusing the Fire and Spirit Medallions/Sages though? Doesn't that throw some of the other stuff that doesn't agree with in-game information into question?

No, because in-game information is prone to mistakes as well. Here's a zeldawiki page dedicated to these mistakes.

Regardless, I haven't really seen anything in HH that contradicts any in-game information. It might contradict the things stated in the NoA version, but for the most part, it seems to be consistent with the Japanese version.

^After going through all of those, I almost don't see anything on that page that is definitely an in-universe mistake. Just translation errors, programming mistakes, and fourth-wall breaks for the most part. Nearly everything else can be explained away in-universe.

The only one where an easy solution doesn't immediately come to mind is Lenzo's pictographs of rare people that he sells Link (and the LD on the Ancient Robots, but I don't remember the game ever specifically confirming that the "D" stood for "desert" (even though that was likely the creators' intentions) or that their number designations couldn't change over time).

Originally Posted by Volvagia_slayer

The only one where an easy solution doesn't immediately come to mind is Lenzo's pictographs of rare people that he sells Link (and the LD on the Ancient Robots, but I don't remember the game ever specifically confirming that the "D" stood for "desert" (even though that was likely the creators' intentions) or that their number designations couldn't change over time).

In the Italian translation they're called DR (Desert Ranel), so it has to be the logic they used.

Originally Posted by Volvagia_slayer

^After going through all of those, I almost don't see anything on that page that is definitely an in-universe mistake. Just translation errors, programming mistakes, and fourth-wall breaks for the most part. Nearly everything else can be explained away in-universe.

The only one where an easy solution doesn't immediately come to mind is Lenzo's pictographs of rare people that he sells Link (and the LD on the Ancient Robots, but I don't remember the game ever specifically confirming that the "D" stood for "desert" (even though that was likely the creators' intentions) or that their number designations couldn't change over time).

Yeah, but it's not too different from the Sage medallion mistake you pointed out earlier. It's just a graphic of Nabooru and Darunia being represented by the wrong symbols; it was an editorial oversight. I could understand if they made up a story about Nabooru leaving the desert and going into Death Mountain to become the Fire Sage, but it's actually quite an easy error to make; the editor probably took a glance at the graphic, thought "hey, cool", and went on about his business without paying too much attention to it.

I mean it's one thing to use the wrong symbol, it's another thing to "accidentally" put together a timeline with 50-plus pages that go into detail about how they are connected.

Well that was just the easiest and most irrefutable of the mistakes. There are plenty of others like HH saying that Hylia reincarnated before her battle with Demise in which she ultimately seals him away, saying Vaati was resurrected for FSA even though he didn't die between FS and FSA, saying the SS alphabet can't be deciphered (even though someone has deciphered it), saying Link is Smith's apprentice in TMC rather than his grandson...

That last one isn't such a big deal, though. In ye olden times trades were usually passed down through families, so he could be both. And Vaati's resurrection in FSA is simply a phrasing issue, since it also says that beforehand he was stuck in the Four Sword.