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Old 06-24-2012, 11:30 PM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

I'm sorry but I just think that the method of time travel in OoT is different than SS and TP.
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:08 AM
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I'm sorry but I just think that the method of time travel in OoT is different than SS and TP.
Yes it IS!
I'm just saying that the time travel only works towards the past in all three games!
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:13 PM
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Are you saying that the Master Sword makes a time bubble around the wielder? I think I have seen that theorized in regards to the timeshift stones.
If anything, it'd be a bubble encompassing the entire world. Which is ridiculous.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:34 PM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

I don't follow you. Why would the bubble encompass the entire world?
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Old 06-26-2012, 06:11 AM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

On a side note, just for the record, I recently played that part in SS when you find Zelda in the Temple of Hylia. She says that the Goddess created Fi, not the Master Sword. I'm playing the European version, which translations are usually more faithful to the original than the American ones. Can someone provide a link to that part of the game in fan-translated Japanese?
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:19 PM
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I don't follow you. Why would the bubble encompass the entire world?
The timeshift fields only revert time in a limited area. All indications are that in OoT the world of the past exists in its entirety; that is we have no reason to expect that if we leave Hyrule we'll suddenly end up back in the future world. If so, then if the OoT time travel works like the timeshift stones, it has to create a bubble that encompasses the world. At the minimum it must encompass Hyrule Kingdom itself. Either way, it's an outlandish idea.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:42 PM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

That's not what I was talking about. I was referring to the idea that the Master Sword creates a time bubble that prevents Link from being affected by the timeshift stones.
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:37 PM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

Ah. That works for SS, but it still wouldn't fit OoT.
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Old 06-29-2012, 05:04 PM
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That's not what I was talking about. I was referring to the idea that the Master Sword creates a time bubble that prevents Link from being affected by the timeshift stones.
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Ah. That works for SS, but it still wouldn't fit OoT.
Indeed, I don't recall using the timeshift stones in OOT.
And as I already explained, Link returns to his childhood (=is affected by time travel) because in OOT to activate the time travel "device" he had to leave the MS in its pedestal. So, technically, the "bubble" theory would be valid in OOT as well.
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

About the air/earth thing, it's worth mentioning the lyrics to the Ballad of the Goddess:

"Oh youth, guided by the servant of the goddess, unite earth and sky, and bring light to the land. "

I think beyond referring to uniting Skyloft and Hyrule, those lyrics could also refer to Zelda regaining her memories by praying within the Skyview and Earth Temples, and to the Master Sword somehow gaining power from sky and earth elements.


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Old 06-29-2012, 11:36 PM
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Indeed, I don't recall using the timeshift stones in OOT.
And as I already explained, Link returns to his childhood (=is affected by time travel) because in OOT to activate the time travel "device" he had to leave the MS in its pedestal. So, technically, the "bubble" theory would be valid in OOT as well.
But why would the mechanic work differently if they're both the time gate? In SS the time gate actually moves your physical presence to another time, rather than emulating the past like the stones or apparently rewinding time a la OoT.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:05 AM
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About the air/earth thing, it's worth mentioning the lyrics to the Ballad of the Goddess:

"Oh youth, guided by the servant of the goddess, unite earth and sky, and bring light to the land. "

I think beyond referring to uniting Skyloft and Hyrule, those lyrics could also refer to Zelda regaining her memories by praying within the Skyview and Earth Temples, and to the Master Sword somehow gaining power from sky and earth elements.


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That's a VERY good assumption!

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But why would the mechanic work differently if they're both the time gate? In SS the time gate actually moves your physical presence to another time, rather than emulating the past like the stones or apparently rewinding time a la OoT.
uhm. I think we have a problem with comunication here.

I. NEVER. MENTIONED. THE. STONES.

That being said, I don't see the problem at all!! In SS The Gate of Time makes you go 1000 years in the past. You didn't exist there. You travel there and you use the Master Sword and you keep it with you. And you PASS THROUGH IT.
In OOT the same happen, but it's 7 years, you existed and you return to your original form because you leave the Master Sword in the pedestal. AND YOU DON'T PASS THROUGH THE GATE, YOU JUST ACTIVATE A DEVICE.
In SS you travel. In OOT you rewind. No emulation of sorts.
Obviously, if my theory is taken by fact, Rauru would have modified the Gate of Time, to serve the porpuse of helping the Hero by sending him in the era of the PAST he needs to. That's all I wanted to prove with this theory.
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Old 07-01-2012, 01:43 AM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

THE. STONES. ARE. A. COMPARISON. BECAUSE. THE. MECHANICS. OBVIOUSLY. DON'T. MATCH. THE. TIME. GATE.

The only way to travel use the gate in SS is to pass through it, and it takes you physically back. Meanwhile, the Pedestal of Time forms a giant pillar of light around you. It doesn't work anything like what we see in SS, and saying "oh it got modified" means nothing, because he could have just as easily built an entirely new mechanism, and that would still fit what we see.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:57 PM
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Re: Master Sword analysis and Time Travel

makes sense as theyre in the same location, do the same thing (time travel) and are both activated by the master sword
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