Midna = Zelda? (MAYBE slight TP spoilers)

Or rather, an alternate dimension/universe version of Zelda (or, as Animateur puts it, "a different form of the same being"). I've seen this discussed here and there but not in detail, and I didn't find a thread for it so I apologize if there is one. Anyway, here are some reasons why I think this:

1. Physical parallels--their facial features are similar (in Midna's true form, obviously) and Zelda's cloak sort of resembles Midna's.
2. Their theme music has an inverted melody structure (With Zelda's theme using a middle note, a higher note, then a lower one and Midna's doing the exact opposite).
3. They're both princesses, and I think Midna could be a representation of what Zelda might have been like if she were under different circumstances; i.e. her people were banished and oppressed. Both care about their people above all others and it affects their outlook. Plus, Midna's sarcastic, troll-y personality is similar to Tetra's.
4. Some in-game symbolism; such as the Twilight Mirror itself with Midna being Zelda's 'reflection' (some people think Zant is Link's, but I'm not nearly as convinced as I am with the Midna/Zelda parallel). A more minor one is the way that Zelda rides on Epona with Link at the end somewhat mirrors the way Midna rides on Link's back when he's in wolf-form.
5. Their names are similar; two syllables, ending in a, set off with a d consonant.
6. The official art seems to have some implications; http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thum...x-Twilight.jpg this picture alone could be a piece of supporting evidence, but especially when compared to this one: http://www.zeldatwilightprincess.be/...llpapers/6.jpg


Sorry if this seems way too obvious or talked-about, but I was just curious about other member's thoughts on this.

I have always thought this, and I considered it canon. Why is this a theory? I thought this was offical nintendo canon..

Well, I already apologized if it was too obvious, but it's not outright stated. It's subtext, at best, so I thought it could still warrant some decent discussion. Besides, I see a lot of Midna fans bashing Zelda and vice versa so it seems like not everyone thinks they're parallels.

Using the Doctor-Who concept, two alternate beings from parrallel diamensions, if they're the same person, at a touch the universe would explode. But that's just a point.

I don't believe they are actually supposed to be literal alternate versions of each other. I am of the opinion that all of the parallels between them are simply meant to be symbolic of how Midna is the twilight princess and Zelda is the light Princess. They are both princess of two parallel kingdoms and so would share symbolic similarities.

Originally Posted by Her Grace

I don't believe they are actually supposed to be literal alternate versions of each other. I am of the opinion that all of the parallels between them are simply meant to be symbolic of how Midna is the twilight princess and Zelda is the light Princess. They are both princess of two parallel kingdoms and so would share symbolic similarities.

I agree with this. There are parallels and similarities between them, but I never took it literally.

I always considered there to be three parallel realities in Hyrule. (note that I say REALITIES--Termina is a seperate dimension).

On one end of the spectrum we have the Light World, which most Zelda games take place in. On the other, we have the Dark World, which is the tainted version of the Sacred Realm.

And between these is the Twilight Realm--a reality which can be tipped into light or darkness by the state of the others.

Notice how when the Twili are touched by Ganondorf's evil powers, they are all black, reflecting the evil in Ganondorf's magic. But when they are in their normal state, they are both white and black. When they are touched by the light of the Sols, they return to normal form--now that they have a balance of light and darkness again. Would the amount of Sols increase, they would probably turn into their human counterparts.

So none of the realities are really "original." One cannot exist without the other. Midna is not an alternate version of Zelda, she is a effectively a different form of the same being.

This a good theory it could be canon. Because the Twilight realm and Light world are the two sides of the same coin. So their must be a opposite of Zelda that being Midna while the opposite of Ganondorf being Zant. That being the reason both of them could use the triforce of their counterpart.

So basically, when the Twilight Realm has too many Sols, it becomes the Light World, and the Twili turn into dere human counterparts. When it has too little, it becomes the Dark World, and the Twili turn into Shadow Beasts.

Originally Posted by Animateur

So basically, when the Twilight Realm has too many Sols, it becomes the Light World, and the Twili turn into dere human counterparts. When it has too little, it becomes the Dark World, and the Twili turn into Shadow Beasts.

No Animateur. The TR only have two sols and the twilis don't transform into their counterparts. The dark world is the tainted version of the Sacred realm it have no connection with the TR. The twili became SB because of a spell Zant put on them and the spell was broken by the magic of the sols.

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Originally Posted by Masky

It's just symbolic for the purpose of storytelling. They are both also referred to as the "Twilight Princess".

Zelda is refered as the Twilight princess by Midna because Hyrule was cover in by twilight so she was the Twilight princess.

I always thought of the Twilight realm being a parallel world to Hyrule, having exact opposites, yet being eerily the same. Even going down to individuals.

Very good points. I've never thought of Midna and Zelda in that way, but now that you point it out, it does seem possible.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

The twili became SB because of a spell Zant put on them and the spell was broken by the magic of the sols.

As far as I know, Zant only turned them into imps so that he could control them. It was the lack of Sols that turned them into Shadow Beasts.

Originally Posted by zeldawiki

The light of the Sols can cut through Zant's dark fog, which is made of Shadow Crystals, and without it, the Twili gradually transform into shadow beasts.

Also, there is alot more than two Sols. The wiki and the game explicitely state that Sols are used to power many forms of Twili technology.

All I'm saying is that the amount of light or darkness in the Twilight Realm determines how the Twili look and act.

When you recover the Sols, the Twilight Realm has a balance of light and darkness again, so the Twili return to their half-black/half-white forms.

When the Sols are locked away, they devolve into Shadow Beasts, which is the form of whatever creatures live in the Dark World.

And using these points of reference, I think it's safe to conclude that if there is a high amount of Sols, the Twili will turn into what they used to be, before they got sealed away.

(again, I'm just using the Dark World as an example. It's obviously not the proper term for this, though. There must be another world of shadows.)

Originally Posted by Animateur

As far as I know, Zant only turned them into imps so that he could control them. It was the[COLOR="Black"] lack of Sols[COLOR="Yellow"] that turned them into Shadow Beasts.



Also, there is alot more than two Sols. The wiki and the game explicitely state that Sols are used to power many forms of Twili technology.

All I'm saying is that the amount of light or darkness in the Twilight Realm determines how the Twili look and act.
When you recover the Sols, the Twilight Realm has a balance of light and darkness again, so the Twili return to their half-black/half-white forms.
When the Sols are locked away, they devolve into Shadow Beasts, which is the form of whatever creatures live in the Dark World. (again, I'm just using the Dark World as an example. It's obviously not the proper term for this, though. There must be another world of shadows, i guess)
Basically, the Twilight Realm creates two seperate realities. One where there is no light whatsoever, where Ganondorf or whatever is evil at the time is present, (the Dark World) and one where there is too much light--the Sacred Realm.

Shadow Beast - Zelda Wiki Thats the link to the zelda wiki were it says the twili became shadow beasts because Zant corrupted them. It doesn't have to do anything with sols the only thing sols do with this is revert the effect of Zant's corrupted magic.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

Shadow Beast - Zelda Wiki Thats the link to the zelda wiki were it says the twili became shadow beasts because Zant corrupted them. It doesn't have to do anything with sols the only thing sols do with this is revert the effect of Zant's corrupted magic.

I edited my theory a bit. The one you just replied to.

Also, may I explicitely quote this directly from the game?

Originally Posted by Midna

Once they were lost, everyone began to transform...

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And notice how Midna also relates the Sols to the Sun in Hyrule--they provide life.

Yes life not form and what part of the game is this. If that's true the game is contradicting itself by saying that when it also says they turned like that because of Zant's magic. Unless the magic part was a minstranslation.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

Yes life not form and what part of the game is this. If that's true the game is contradicting itself by saying that when it also says they turned like that because of Zant's magic. Unless the magic part was a minstranslation.

I'm getting all these quotes from text dumps and wikis of the game. I don't really know why it would say Zant transformed them, although I know that it did. Perhaps it wasn't meant to be taken literally? After all, I doubt something as powerful as a Sol could be 'locked away' without magic.

Originally Posted by Animateur

So none of the realities are really "original." One cannot exist without the other. Midna is not an alternate version of Zelda, she is a effectively a different form of the same being.

This is essentially another (better) way of stating what I was trying to say in the first place.

that would explain the dark links.

Originally Posted by oliverstorm

that would explain the dark links.

The Dark Links of Twilight Princess were representations of the Interlopers.