Kaepora gaepora: reincarnation or alter-ego?

Now that we know kaepora gaepora is rauru, does this mean he is an alternate form of rauru or a reincarnation of him? Is it like the hero's shade in TP, a ghost who can speak with his own reincarnation, but still be a separate being? Or like aganhim/cielia/the FSA links, people who are alter egos/ split beings of another person? I can't really decide, I never saw rauru as some kind of ghost. Your thoughts?

The fact that the entirety of OoT could have been avoided if the owl had bothered to say "don't worry about the Triforce, the Master Sword will keep Ganondorf out of the Sacred Realm" suggests either the guy was too stupid to live, or he honestly didn't know about the Master Sword. Since we see in the case of Ciela that an aspect may not necessarily have all the knowledge of the original being, Rauru splitting off an aspect seems to be the most likely answer.

True, but wouldn't that be the same case in reincarnation(KG not knowing about the MS)?

But if he were reincarnated, he shouldn't have been able to revert back into Rauru and use his Sage powers.

He was Rauru's alter ego and he didn't say anything about Link because that would stop him of fulfilling his destiny because why would he begin his journey when someobe is already protecting the triforce and Hyrule by a extent.

Well I guess this means the gossip stone's statement was misconstrued, but seeing how it is a stone that tells you gossip, that's not that hard to accept

Which one? The one who says KG is the reincarnation of an ancient sage,if you mean that one well yes it was wrong it was gossiping in the first place.What he gossiped may have got twisted.Because lets say link is in a relationship with Zelda and Karane found out and she gossip it to everyone in school.Their will be a time were the gossip will get twisted may the last one who hear it heared that Link is in a relationship with Karane.Gossip can be twisted easily,the human mind doesn't have the ability to remind everything so it changes things for what it couldn't remember.

One could say that Rauru is the reincarnation of an ancient sage, and then it still works.

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

The fact that the entirety of OoT could have been avoided if the owl had bothered to say "don't worry about the Triforce, the Master Sword will keep Ganondorf out of the Sacred Realm" suggests either the guy was too stupid to live, or he honestly didn't know about the Master Sword. Since we see in the case of Ciela that an aspect may not necessarily have all the knowledge of the original being, Rauru splitting off an aspect seems to be the most likely answer.

Perhaps ganondorf would have managed to find a way in eventually even without link's help, and so rauru/KG thought it would be best to just hurry things along, but make sure that they could beat ganondorf in the end.

Hypothetical situation: KG tells link not to draw the master sword, and he goes back to live with the kokiri, never becoming an adventurer. After a few years ganon gets a load of explosives, and blows the hell out of the door of time, or just manages to forcibly take the sacred stones. Either way, he still gets into the sacred realm, only now nobody can beat him, and hyrule is royally screwed.

They aren't gossip stones for a reason brah,if those were true they would be called fact stones.

Kaepora Gaebora is Rauru's alter ego, it's been confirmed by Hyrule Historia

“He’s the sage who built the Temple of Time in ancient times. Before Link pulled the Master Sword out, he followed Link’s adventures as the owl Kaepora Gaebora.” -Hyrule Historia on Rauru

It would seem that in the Sacred Realm he exists in a spirit form and in the world of light, he exists in a corporal form. In that case, he is both an alter ego and a reincarnation. Outside of the Sacred Realm, his spirit reincarnates as an owl (as suggested by a Gossip Stone) but he keeps his identity as Rauru a secret from the public by using an alternate name, which makes him also an alter ego.

I'd say he's an alter-ego; but the Gossip Stone does have merit: keep in mind that Rauru locked himself away in the Temple of Time centuries before the events of OoT. Looking at this from the people's perspective, Rauru is pretty much considered dead, so when they see the owl, they believe him to be the reincarnation of the Rauru.

Originally Posted by Mister Blak

Perhaps ganondorf would have managed to find a way in eventually even without link's help, and so rauru/KG thought it would be best to just hurry things along, but make sure that they could beat ganondorf in the end.

Hypothetical situation: KG tells link not to draw the master sword, and he goes back to live with the kokiri, never becoming an adventurer. After a few years ganon gets a load of explosives, and blows the hell out of the door of time, or just manages to forcibly take the sacred stones. Either way, he still gets into the sacred realm, only now nobody can beat him, and hyrule is royally screwed.

Even with that he couldn't get to the sacred realm.Because he can't pull out the MS from the pedestal of time because he isn't the hero.So he couldn't get to SR even if he destroyed the door of time.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

Even with that he couldn't get to the sacred realm.Because he can't pull out the MS from the pedestal of time because he isn't the hero.So he couldn't get to SR even if he destroyed the door of time.

He gets some moblins to mine under the pedestal, removing the sword by just destroying the pedestal around it. How's that?

The one thing that always bugged me about Kaepora Gaebora being Rauru is that Kaepora appears to Adult Link as well, and talks of how he hasn't seen him in a very long time and says "Even I thought that the tales of a boy who could travel back and forth through time was merely a legend."

What's the point in lying to Link at this point? Obviously he knows that Link being able to travel through time isn't a legend, and it hadn't been all that long since he sent Link off as an adult.

He even goes on to say "From now on, the future of all the people in Hyrule is on your shoulders. Maybe it's not my time anymore. Here is my last advice." yet he knows that he's still going to be needed in the end to seal Ganondorf, which was the point in collecting all the Sages. If he still had such a huge role, then why would he think it's not his time anymore and it's all on Link?

For this reason, I was always like the only person who rejected the whole "Kaepora = Rauru" thing. Especially since the only thing the gossip stone in question says that he's the reincarnation of a sage, not specifically stating it was Rauru, and considering the Chamber of Sages exists, there obviously used to be a lot more sages than him.

But it's apparently now canon for certain, so if I really have to accept this, I think...

Okay, so it says that Rauru was isolated from the world inside the Sacred Realm. I guess the only way for all of this to make sense is if we accept that Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora have become two separate entities unaware of what the other is doing or saying. Like, part of Rauru's soul became a Sage trapped in the Sacred Realm while the rest of him was reincarnated and eventually became Kaepora. It's either this or accept that Rauru is both a huge liar and a huge idiot and is intentionally just screwing around with Link and the fate of Hyrule for lulz.

Originally Posted by Mister Blak

He gets some moblins to mine under the pedestal, removing the sword by just destroying the pedestal around it. How's that?

That's not pulling the sword from the pedestal, so the portal would remain closed.

Originally Posted by GoldenNocturne

The one thing that always bugged me about Kaepora Gaebora being Rauru is that Kaepora appears to Adult Link as well, and talks of how he hasn't seen him in a very long time and says "Even I thought that the tales of a boy who could travel back and forth through time was merely a legend."

What's the point in lying to Link at this point? Obviously he knows that Link being able to travel through time isn't a legend, and it hadn't been all that long since he sent Link off as an adult.

He even goes on to say "From now on, the future of all the people in Hyrule is on your shoulders. Maybe it's not my time anymore. Here is my last advice." yet he knows that he's still going to be needed in the end to seal Ganondorf, which was the point in collecting all the Sages. If he still had such a huge role, then why would he think it's not his time anymore and it's all on Link?

Actually, he shows up at the end of the kid portion of the Spirit Temple, so assuming that he doesn't perceive time weird he shouldn't have even known about the whole time travel deal. It's similar to the problem I have with the whole "Hero of Time fought a time war" legend in WW. How would anyone know?

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

It's similar to the problem I have with the whole "Hero of Time fought a time war" legend in WW. How would anyone know?

Because Zelda could have tell the history of the HOT to the people of Hyrule and then it became the legend we see in WW.

Even granting that Zelda would know because mystic powers, why would she do that?

Originally Posted by Darth Yoshi

Actually, he shows up at the end of the kid portion of the Spirit Temple, so assuming that he doesn't perceive time weird he shouldn't have even known about the whole time travel deal. It's similar to the problem I have with the whole "Hero of Time fought a time war" legend in WW. How would anyone know?

Ohh, you're right. No, no, this could actually make sense now. I remember now that I was thinking of that you see him as an adult when you learn the Requiem of Spirit, and that the things he said in his final appearance at the Spirit Temple bothered me. But thinking about it now, it makes sense, and it makes sense that he would know he traveled through time.

Alright, how about this? Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora are one and the same, with Kaepora Gaebora simply being the form Rauru takes on when he sends his spirit into the real world, since he cannot go there himself. It would then make sense that Kaepora Gaebora knows Link is traveling through time when he sees him at the Spirit Temple, because at that point in time Link is also in the Sacred Realm. Think about it. When Link goes back to the past he started in, he goes back to right when he first got sealed away, so that already happened. So when Kaepora Gaebora sees Child Link at the Spirit Temple, he sees the same child he watched take the Master Sword, that he is currently watching over until he matures into the Hero of Time.

So technically at that point in time there would be two Links in the world. One of them is sleeping in the Sacred Realm to mature into Adult Link and the other is running around Hyrule after going back in time from the future. Its only natural when Kaepora Gaebora sees him that he'd conclude he is using the Temple of Time to travel through time. Which also would do even more to cement that Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora are not only the same person, but one entity and not separate. How did I not see this earlier?

Well, what do you guys think? Crackpot or am I onto something?