LoZ Technology

First, this thread may already exist, but, frankly, there are a LOT of them and I didn't find anything on the first like 10 pages (unless I am just completely blind)

Second, I was thinking about why the Adult Timelime (AT) created technological advances and the others seem to be stuck in the Middle Ages. I believe it centers around the Silent Realm/Sacred Realm. If we suppose that they are indeed the same, it would make a lot of sense because in the AT, they still don't really advance while living on the Sea of Hyrule, but once they leave Hyrule to found a new one, they develop steam power and trains and such. In the Defeated Timeline (DT) and the Child Timeline (CT) the main populus of Hyrule remain gathered around one place that seems fraught with peril. I would posit that this is because in the Land of Hyrule, the ruling class spends most of its time fighting and protecting the Realm where the Triforce lies that they do not adequately fund technology except for those that help the constant battle. This can even further be supported by the existence of Termina and the fact that they have a piece of technology as powerful and delicate as a clock. Termina is notably not centered around the Triforce.

What are others thoughts regarding this possible connection and how, in my opinion, the Triforce may be holding the residents of Hyrule back in technology?

I find it hard to believe that the Triforce (especially that of Wisdom) is hindering the people of Hyrule more than it is helping it. If anything, these seem to be changes caused by the three drastic outcomes of the three Timelines that cause a chain of events that somehow brought Hyrule back in years.

Speaking from an out of universe standpoint, the DT's middle ages feel can be attributed to a literal lack of the kind of technology we have today when the games were made

Originally Posted by TheCheshireCat

Speaking from an out of universe standpoint, the DT's middle ages feel can be attributed to a literal lack of the kind of technology we have today when the games were made

And from an in-game point of view, those games are in a timeline where Ganon reigned (even if for a [bigger] while) so things may have gotten rough, and restoring became a bigger priority than advancing

Originally Posted by TheCheshireCat

Speaking from an out of universe standpoint, the DT's middle ages feel can be attributed to a literal lack of the kind of technology we have today when the games were made

This fails to explain the absence of progress in the CT.

OT, the reason Hyrule has never really developed is because it is so idyllic- there is little war, famine or disease, and when problems do occur there is little even the most advanced technology can do to help. As a result there is no need for advancement.

As for why New Hyrule is advanced, steam power was presumably invented either in the Realm of the Ocean King, or by Gorons. In the former case, it could be said that Oshus himself taught them about hydraulics- the rest was worked out for themselves.

Originally Posted by Pie Master

And from an in-game point of view, those games are in a timeline where Ganon reigned (even if for a [bigger] while) so things may have gotten rough, and restoring became a bigger priority than advancing

You have captured a point I overlooked in my original post. because they were focused on rebuilding after Ganon each time, they didn't advance. And another point around the Triforce, it's not unusual in a "utopian" society for advancement to cease and we are meant to believe that the people of Hyrule are pretty happy (except when they're not), so why make things better when they're already perfect. Countless episodes of countless science fiction shows have played on this idea.

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Mister Blak actually kind of pointed out my extra theory piece while I was originally posting, apparently, lol

/\ Yeah. The people of Hyrule have two states of being:

-everything is fine!
-♥♥♥♥ WE'RE GONNA DIE AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE CAN DO-O-O!

Neither are conducive to advancement.

It's only idyllic because Nintendo doesn't deal with any of the issues that would face the society? Where would they get their food? Where are all the farmers? The industrial revolution had a lot to do with food.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

It's only idyllic because Nintendo doesn't deal with any of the issues that would face the society? Where would they get their food? Where are all the farmers? The industrial revolution had a lot to do with food.

Hyrule was a land created by the goddesses to be perfect. The soil is fertile, the people are content... it's a lot like ancient Greece without the philosophising. And, like with ancient Greece (before the time when imperialism started), nothing much gets done for reasons other than basics or intellectual drive.

Greece advanced technologically. Besides, it doesn't matter how fertile the soil is. Tilling it isn't fun.

Of course, one must keep in mind that in the Hyrule, there is such a thing as magic, or at least some unexplainable forces. There is such a thing as suspension of disbelief.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

Greece advanced technologically. Besides, it doesn't matter how fertile the soil is. Tilling it isn't fun.

My point is that it's like an Uber-Greece; nobody has to worry about anything,'cos nature has everything sussed. If you have any normal reasons for trouble, feel free to share them. I don't mean to be inflammatory, I'd just like to hear some reasons for strife, cos I can't think of many.

These are the ones I got:

Unjust rulers: the incumbent monarch is a descendant of the first Zelda, and probably has some connection with the goddess Hylia. They will act in a just way because charity and wisdom seems to be a prevalent family trait.

Famine: No. No reason for it.

Disease: No disease is ever shown in the game that is not magical. It s possible that disease does't exist.

War: Other than the civil war and wars with unnatural opponents, there is never war in Hyrule, likely because there are few to no other countries. Infact, the only ones we ever hear about are Holodrum and Labrynna, who should probably, given their size, know better than to push it. Hyrule certainly seem to expand and move at will., so there is no pressure on land etc.

I could just as easily say that the difference in technology in the timelines is unexplainable.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

I could just as easily say that the difference in technology in the timelines is unexplainable.

In the AT, the people of Hyrule are forced for the first real time to overcome a mundane problem- the flood. As a result, they invented steam power.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

I could just as easily say that the difference in technology in the timelines is unexplainable.

To be fair, if you believe that the butterfly effect exists, its not that hard to imagine this to be true.

The AT is far in the future. They should have been advancing anyway.

Yeah, there is at least 1000 (probably more) years between Skyward Sword and The Adventure of Link/Four Swords Adventures/Spirit Tracks and in all of the timelines Hyrule is always stuck in the medieval age .

PS: But WTF is this?!



Found in the Bombchu Bowling Alley (Ocarina of Time), I think that store also has neon lights .

Nintendo wants it to be a medieval game, so it's mostly medieval. I think any technology is just a design choice specific to each game.

Anbody whose played the Theif series knows what I'm talking about with suspension of disbelief; they had "torches, knives, arrows, and also electricity"

Originally Posted by SkullDude

The AT is far in the future. They should have been advancing anyway.

They all are. This statement holds no water.

They all should have been advancing, minus any impediments.