minish cap before ocarina of time in the timeline

Okay in Hyrule Historia says the the minish cap goes before OOT but is their any proof.I do not think it can go before OOT because: We do not see the temple of time,hear about tha master sword,no mention of the events of skyward sword.The language is new hylian.So if any of you have proof share it in this thread.

Is this a serious thread or just a troll thread?

Just because those things aren't in TMC, doesn't mean that it doesn't came before OoT, if anything, the lack of those things PROVES that TMC was before OoT in the timeline.

The lack of evidence for or against its placement on the timeline divided many theorists for while, now that we have an official timeline I was hoping it would never have to be heard from again.

Gorons still looking for a place to live, still no Zoras, Triforce was sort of forgotten (which is what Impa in SS wanted (same goes with the Master Sword), Hyrule isn't a unified country yet.

Originally Posted by Keaton-King

Is this a serious thread or just a troll thread?

Just because those things aren't in TMC, doesn't mean that it doesn't came before OoT, if anything, the lack of those things PROVES that TMC was before OoT in the timeline.

1.This is a real thread not a troll one
2.what i wrote in the beggining was that for MC new hylain was the main language sorry if you misunderstood

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Originally Posted by Butt Fist

Gorons still looking for a place to live, still no Zoras, Triforce was sort of forgotten (which is what Impa in SS wanted (same goes with the Master Sword), Hyrule isn't a unified country yet.

That could also be in new hyrule because the zora evolve into Ritos,The master sword was washed away and the spirits of good have not save hyrule from malladus so they still use the triforce in the game because if you played it you can see they did not forgot the triforce because in the main plaza their is a triforce insignia where you use the roc cape to get container piece

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Originally Posted by Blake G

The lack of evidence for or against its placement on the timeline divided many theorists for while, now that we have an official timeline I was hoping it would never have to be heard from again.

we can not say is that is the real timeline yet we have to wait because their allways going to release new games so the timeline will have to wait to really be completed[COLOR="Silver"]

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Originally Posted by tlozbj

Okay in Hyrule Historia says the the minish cap goes before OOT but is their any proof.I do not think it can go before OOT because: We do not see the temple of time,hear about tha master sword,no mention of the events of skyward sword,the language being new hylian.So if any of you have proof share it in this thread.

Hyrule Historia is the proof.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

That could also be in new hyrule because the zora evolve into Ritos,The master sword was washed away and the spirits of good have not save hyrule from malladus so they still use the triforce in the game because if you played it you can see they did not forgot the triforce because in the main plaza their is a triforce insignia where you use the roc cape to get container piece

Which is why I said they sort of forgotten it. As in it's not mentioned anywhere in MC. Only "force" they mention is the Light Force.

It also can't be in New Hyrule, seeing as how the geologic differences are... you know, way too different.

Hey... Let's try to be civil here please. I don't want to see people pointing the "troll finger" at other members.





Hyrule Historia might be the proof, but we've already learnt that not everyone accepts what is addressed in the book.

But I do believe that MC comes well before OoT in the timeline.

Originally Posted by Pinkie Pie

Hyrule Historia is the proof.

but can we be sure that is the real timeline this is not the first time Nintendo lies about the timeline see what happen with OOT they say ot was the first in the timeline and they release SS

Originally Posted by tlozbj

but can we be sure that is the real timeline this is not the first time Nintendo lies about the timeline see what happen with OOT they say ot was the first in the timeline and they release SS

They probably said that back in the 90's. No one knew (or they knew) that they were going to create a game that stands at the beginning of the Zelda timeline.

Originally Posted by Eternal Legend

They probably said that back in the 90's. No one knew (or they knew) that they were going to create a game that stands at the beginning of the Zelda timeline.

Actually yes because Aonuma and Miyamoto both have said that Aonuma have the complete timeline in his computer with games that have been release and probably games that will be release

Originally Posted by tlozbj

but can we be sure that is the real timeline this is not the first time Nintendo lies about the timeline see what happen with OOT they say ot was the first in the timeline and they release SS

Of course they'd say OoT is the first. There were no games out that preceded it during that time.

They said themselves that no Zelda game would always be the "first" in the timeline and that there will always be a Zelda game preceding it. There's probably a Zelda game that precedes SS.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

Actually yes because Aonuma and Miyamoto both have said that Aonuma have the complete timeline in his computer with games that have been release and probably games that will be release

But it's not completely set with the future of Zelda game releases.

It grows as they release a new game and fit it in the appropriate area within the timeline.

So the timeline is constantly updating as the years go by.

but can we be sure that is the real timeline this is not the first time Nintendo lies about the timeline see what happen with OOT they say ot was the first in the timeline and they release SS

That was only because back then, Nintendo didn't have the amount of Zelda stories we have now meaning they didn't have a legit idea. Like what EL said.

The subject of the timeline began with the near-advent of WW IIRC, and back them, besides the 2 classic Zelda games and the OoX games, major games that were focused on during that time were OoT, MM, and WW. Meaning since they only focused on 3 games during the creation of the timeline there were a lot of room to change their minds, unlike now.

Okay in Hyrule Historia says the the minish cap goes before OOT but is their any proof.I do not think it can go before OOT because: We do not see the temple of time,hear about tha master sword,no mention of the events of skyward sword

Lack-of thereof is actually the proof so you answered your own question.

Besides, questioning whether there's "proof" between MC and OoT at this point is like questioning whether there's "proof" between OoT and AlttP.

That could also be in new hyrule because the zora evolve into Ritos,The master sword was washed away and the spirits of good have not save hyrule from malladus so they still use the triforce in the game because if you played it you can see they did not forgot the triforce because in the main plaza their is a triforce insignia where you use the roc cape to get container piece

You forgot the Gorons. In New Hyrule they have a place to live in the Fire Realm and there were a lot more of them. In MC we only see 8 and a majority of them live in a cave. And the Spirit War with Malladus is unrelated to the events preceding MC.



Understand the intention and truth be told, I still sort of wish MC and the other Four Sword games were on one timeline long after OoT. But really dude. In terms of the timeline, its you against mostly everyone else here, Hyrule Historia lays it all out in perfect detail how everything transpires, not really any point in theorizing against it.

Originally Posted by Butt Fist

Which is why I said they sort of forgotten it. As in it's not mentioned anywhere in MC. Only "force" they mention is the Light Force.

It also can't be in New Hyrule, seeing as how the geologic differences are... you know, way too different.

Actually if you rotate the map putting the wood to the left it looks almost the same if you rotate so the minish forest is in the low left that would be the forest realm the waterfalls mountains would be in the low right probably when malladus attacked they were destroy or they disseaper by time becoming the water realm then mount crenel would be in the top right surely the mines were a active volcano and it make eruption and mount crenel became the fire realm the only explanation that i can not give is about the swamp becoming the ice realm but all else goes into place with new hyrule

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If it really happen before OOT some please tell me why the main language in the game in New Hylian.

Originally Posted by tlozbj

Actually if you rotate the map

Stopped reading here. You shouldn't be able to rotate any map for it to match up. North is North.

It even sort of matches up with the Eastern part of SS' map, with Lake Hylia being Lake Floria. The part of the map where it shows the sky blocks what I assume to be more of the Minish Woods (since there's a bunch of trees going North). This would make up most of the woods in SS.

The thing that prove the minish cap happen in New Hyrule is the language that it is New Hylian in the game

Originally Posted by Butt Fist

Stopped reading here. You shouldn't be able to rotate any map for it to match up. North is North.

It even sort of matches up with the Eastern part of SS' map, with Lake Hylia being Lake Floria. The part of the map where it shows the sky blocks what I assume to be more of the Minish Woods (since there's a bunch of trees going North). This would make up most of the woods in SS.

Point being almost of every map in the more recent Zelda games now have some kind of similarity, so the point is moot.

If it really happen before OOT some please tell me why the main language in the game in New Hylian.

There's a difference?

In every Zelda game I've played they all seemed to sound the same. Only difference is how you would see the text, and those changes are only aesthetic. Besides, in WW a game that takes place after MC shows some characters like the Great Deku Tree and Jabun speaking "Old Hylian". Yet you claim MC uses "New Hylian" though it takes place hundreds of years before.

The thing that prove the minish cap happen in New Hyrule is the language that it is New Hylian in the game

Really? Proof?

Originally Posted by keyaki

Point being almost of every map in the more recent Zelda games now have some kind of similarity, so the point is moot.



There's a difference?

In every Zelda game I've played they all seemed to sound the same. Only difference is how you would see the text, and those changes are only aesthetic. Besides, in WW a game that takes place after MC shows some characters like the Great Deku Tree and Jabun speaking "Old Hylian". Yet you claim MC uses "New Hylian" though it takes place hundreds of years before.



Really? Proof?

they speak old hylian becose the great deku tree from WW is the deku sprout from OOT and probably jabun is jabu jabu both from the times of OOT and yes the language is proof because how are they going to use a language who as not be invented yet

Originally Posted by tlozbj

they speak old hylian becose the great deku tree from WW is the deku sprout from OOT and probably jabun is jabu jabu both from the times of OOT and yes the language is proof because how are they going to use a language who as not be invented yet

Yes and OoT takes place AFTER Minish Cap. You claim Minish Cap used New Hylian when it takes place before OoT, a game where it used "Old Hylian", explain that.

Better yet, you still haven't explained any difference between "Old" and "New" Hylian. The only evidence we have between the "Old" and "New" Hylian is in AlttP and that takes place after OoT.