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Old 04-21-2012, 06:19 AM
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Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

Why haven't I seen a mention of this anywhere?

Is it just too obvious, just I that managed to miss the connection? Is it even generally known?

Here's the thing, for those new to this: Volvagia' and Stallord's physical appearance are rather similar (excluding the fact that Stallord is bone), the major differences being the size and the fact that Stallord has two sets of horns.

Stallord also uses the same battle music as Volvagia and King Dodongo.

Has this been discussed? I did a quick search but found nothing.


EDIT: Or wait... is he King Dodongo? Damn I'm confused here. Someone must have his or her sfacts more straight than I?
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:27 AM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

I think it's more safe to say that Stallord has more of a stronger connection to Kind Dodongo than Volvagia. Their physical appearances (including the monstrous size) are more closely matched.

However, because of their location and other major differences in their physical appearance, I would say that Stallord is a beast of it's own without any connection to the other two.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:27 AM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

I agree with EL... Stallord's a different beast that just happens to be of the "fire-breathing" type, which may be why they have the same music.

Besides, when Volvagia is killed, his flesh melts away we see that his bone structure is completely different. Whereas Stallord has a more humanoid skeleton with a rib cage and upright spinal column, Volvagia has a bone structure closer to that of a snake, with one long spine and vertebrae.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:43 AM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

You may be right, but the similarities are too much for me to handle. Weird that they imply in the direction, yet deny in other details...

Well, no definite proof I quess. I just got overly excited because I had never realized the connections before. : D

...Could it be a fusion of the two? Just speculating here.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:46 AM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

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You may be right, but the similarities are too much for me to handle. Weird that they imply in the direction, yet deny in other details...

Well, no definite proof I quess. I just got overly excited because I had never realized the connections before. : D

...Could it be a fusion of the two? Just speculating here.
There's a lot of coincidental similarities with a lot of things in Legend of Zelda. Can't take everything as some kind of connection to something else.

Its best to say that Stallord is just another monster~
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:03 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

Nah, I think the whole Arbiter's Grounds is a big Ganondorf tribute in all his 3 popular forms (especially from OOT):

- Human Ganondorf is executed in the Mirror Chamber;
- Death Sword is a throwback to Phantom Ganon;
- Stallord is a throwback to monster Ganon.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:07 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

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Nah, I think the whole Arbiter's Grounds is a big Ganondorf tribute in all his 3 popular forms (especially from OOT):

- Human Ganondorf is executed in the Mirror Chamber;
- Death Sword is a throwback to Phantom Ganon;
- Stallord is a throwback to monster Ganon.
I doubt that.

Then again, its impossible to try and tell what the devs' inspiration was when they created the Arbiter's Grounds.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:05 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

I think Stallord is more a guardian of the entrance to the Mirror Chamber or something. It looks like there is a connection, but like already said, most things in the Zelda series are similar, so I doubt it. But if you could find something more to back it up, I may support your theory.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:24 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

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His has been mentioned.
A lot.

Anyway, arbiters grounds is supposedly the Spirit temple- been discussed loads, example is the mirror.
Apparently stallord is simple a beast in it's own right.
Looking at it, distantly reminds me of whatiscalled in SS... The inprisoned?
But volvagia is a Chinese dragon.
Just a new beast.
Maaybe an ancient dodongo, who knows, it happened with the scorpion thingies in SS, dodongo grow a lot.
I doubt even the possibility of its relationship with Dodongo. Since when do Dodongos have horns?
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:12 PM
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I doubt even the possibility of its relationship with Dodongo. Since when do Dodongos have horns?
We have our friend, Dimitri, from the Oracle titles:

and they don't seem unheard of in the sprites.


That said, my own stance is that it is very likely its own beast, as this theory is a bit of a stretch.
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:14 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

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We have our friend, Dimitri, from the Oracle titles:

and they don't seem unheard of in the sprites.


That said, my own stance is that it is very likely its own beast, as this theory is a bit of a stretch.
Ah touche.

But the formation of Stallords' horns are different from the Dodongos. Plus Stallord has one more than the Dodongos.(The ones running down their backs are spines like a stegosaurus )
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:24 PM
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Hence, the ancient aspect.
Hm. What are you saying? Evolution?
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:24 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

I doubt it. Volvagia wasn't as big as Stallord. Stallord is closer to King Dodongo than Volvagia.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:17 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

No to all the above. I believe Stallord's origins were explained in Skyward Sword:







It seems to match up, as Lanayru Gorge is located in a desert, and maybe on one timeline, Lanayru wasn't revived, and his remains were eventually possessed by Zant. (Remember, the remains weren't originally evil, Zant cursed them.)
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Old 04-24-2012, 05:04 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

Volvagia is a shrimp in comparison to Stallord, who is huge. Stallord is also much wider as in skeleton form alone than Volvagia in the flesh. I do believe people are simply overlooking the obvious reasons for their similarities: they are both dragons. Stallord's remains, Lanayru's remains and Volvagia's remains all look the similar because they're all dragons. I mean suggesting Character X is Character Y and/or Z because their skeletons look similar is like saying all deceased humans must have been the same person because all human remains look very similar. Dragons all have a typical shared skeletal structure, and that is why they all look similar when dead.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:16 AM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

That's why I wondered about the fusion thing.

If Volvagia was "revived" by Ganon (I don't remember if this was the case), it is possible that the remains of many evil beings in Hyrule were transported to Arbiter's Grounds to be locked away. (and handily resurrected by bad guys with more ease : P), perhaps in the same sandy pit. Then, Zant/Ganon/some local magical protection-thing revived it for Link to fight before he would reach the Mirror Chamber.

This is all speculation, of course.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:03 PM
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As good as an idea it is, what about the sizes of things?
Wasn't that the disproof of my 'it is just an ancient dodongo' theory?
I don't think Nintendo really care much for proportion and size. Plus, look at the horns! They are exactly the same shape!

I don't see how you could compare Stallord to King Dodongo at all. I mean, King Dodongo walked on all fours and looked like a rhino. At least Volvagia is actually a dragon.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:17 PM
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Re: Stallord = Volvagia (just dead)

Stallord isn't Lanayru, Lananyru died naturally while Stallord clearly has spears sticking out of his skull. Which makes him equally unlikely to be Volvagia because he was killed by a hammer.
In addition Stallord has different horns to anything mentioned prior. And seems to lack any similarity to any species seen before.
Really, what does this come down to? Being reptilian and sharing theme music?
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:55 PM
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I believe Volvagia = Aigavlov

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Old 04-27-2012, 11:50 AM
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Stallord isn't Lanayru, Lananyru died naturally while Stallord clearly has spears sticking out of his skull. Which makes him equally unlikely to be Volvagia because he was killed by a hammer.
Remember there were two timelines in both Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time. Also, if Twilight Princess takes place on the Child Timeline, then Volvagia was never killed. (Maybe never even revived.)
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