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Old 04-17-2012, 09:08 AM
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How is it possible to observe at the end of Ocarina of Time, Navi leaves Link flying to the window that glows golden in the Temple of Time. This golden light that passes through the window in the room of the Master Sword, certainly represents the golden sky of the Sacred Real (Golden Land) as described in other games such as "A Link to the Past."
In view of this, Navi certainly took your last chance to live at Sacred Realm, (where there is also the Great Fairy, as also seen in "The link to the past.") just before Link seal the Portal of Time, the gateway to Sacred Realm.
It is obvious that Link know Navi flew to Sacred Realm (through the window with a golden light). So after that, child Link and Zelda managed to halt the actions of Ganondorf against the king of Hyrule. Link was then rewarded with the Hero's Shield (MM original shield) proof that he was recognized as a hero in Hyrule.

After that he went to live in Lon Lon Ranch with Talon and Malon (maybe his future wife) and thus had access to Epona. But for a strange reason he decided to look for an old friend in the Lost Woods. Well, Saria was certainly the first best friend of Link, and was wont to go to Sacred Forest Meadow walking through the Lost Woods. Or maybe Link was looking for his OoT masked piper friend, the Skull Kid who often played flute with Link in Lost Woods.

These two possibilities make much more sense, and make a better link between OoT and MM.

But if this old friend is Navi the Fairy as many believe, i think the initial story in Majora's Mask has no meaning because definitely does not fit with the end of history shown in "Ocarina of Time." And Probably the production of Majora's Mask was just a common mistake of legendary Zelda series.

A Link to The Past prologue:
"In a realm beyond sight,
The sky shines gold, not blue.
There, the Triforce's might,
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:54 AM
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

I think it’s confirmed that it was Navi that Link was looking for. Anyway, can you explain why the ending of OoT and MM don’t match up? Navi left Link, and after a while, he went looking for her in some “mysterious woods”.
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

Theres no proof that the window is the Sacred Realm, but nevertheless, I do find it believable. Maybe there was an unseen staircase(like we see in TP) that led to the gates of the SR.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:44 AM
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

Day or night in Hyrule this window always shines gold. That's not a proof? maybe.

Navi flew to the window that has the golden light, this light is probably the golden light of heaven Sacred Realm.

Link know through Rauru and Zelda that this place is the gateway to the Sacred Realm where Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power during the time Link was sealed by seven years in the Temple of Light when he took the Master Sword.

Knowing all this, how could he want to find Navi in a forest of Hyrule? Why would he look her in Hyrule?

Makes no sense him look her in Hyrule.

What do you think?
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:16 PM
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I noticed other "closed threads" that many members ruled out the lost friend is Saria, because they supposedly would have become a Sage and now lives in the Temple of Light or the Temple of the Forest. But I doubt that Ruto, Darunia, Nabooru, Impa, and Saria were living in a temple in the "Past Time". At this time the Sages were not awake yet as Sages. Except Rauru who lives in the Temple of Light.

Saria contrary to what many say, always guided Link in its main objectives during the events of Ocarina of Time. Link and Saria always talked through the Saria's Song played on the Ocarina, even when Saria was in the Sacred Realm with other Sages and Rauru. Saria also always said he wanted to talk face to face with Link and that she would always be her friend.

I think Link should feel really missed her best friend Saria, if they could no longer meet again.

Just as we (or maybe even better than we), Link know the whereabouts of Navi: The Sacred Realm!

Producers of Majora's Mask seem to believe that at the end of Oarina of Time, Link left the temple of time, stumbled on the stairs, hit his head, lost some memory and forgot that Navi had gone a few moments to Sacred Realm. Then he went to tell Zelda what he remembered about Ganondorf. And after it he was awarded with the shield of the hero ... Link then went to lon lon ranch, got epona determined to find his old friend Navi! believing she could have gone somewhere in the forest. But Link in his "secret and personal journey" was surprised by the fairies Tael and Tatl that startled epona leaving Link unconscious, then Skull Kid stole Epona and also his ocarina. Link So begins a chase behind the Skull Kid (White Rabbit) and ends up falling into a hole (Exactly how did Alice in Wonderland) ...
They simply ignored the fact that Link knew the whereabouts of Navi, contradicting the end of Ocarina of Time?
I hope not...

For me, the Link's journey in search of a beloved and invaluable friend" is about Saria (whatever it may be the reason, it makes more sense).
And the sound of fairy who makes the first scene of the game, Isn't a reference to the Navi, but to the two fairy Tatl and Tael, who were watching him, waiting to give a fright.
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

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I think Link should feel really missed her best friend Saria, if they could no longer meet again.

Just as we (or maybe even better than we), Link know the whereabouts of Navi: The Sacred Realm!

Producers of Majora's Mask seem to believe that at the end of Oarina of Time, Link left the temple of time, stumbled on the stairs, hit his head, lost some memory and forgot that Navi had gone a few moments to Sacred Realm. Then he went to tell Zelda what he remembered about Ganondorf. And after it he was awarded with the shield of the hero ... Link then went to lon lon ranch, got epona determined to find his old friend Navi! believing she could have gone somewhere in the forest. But Link in his "secret and personal journey" was surprised by the fairies Tael and Tatl that startled epona leaving Link unconscious, then Skull Kid stole Epona and also his ocarina. Link So begins a chase behind the Skull Kid (White Rabbit) and ends up falling into a hole (Exactly how did Alice in Wonderland) ...
They simply ignored the fact that Link knew the whereabouts of Navi, contradicting the end of Ocarina of Time?
I hope not...

For me, the Link's journey in search of a beloved and invaluable friend" is about Saria (whatever it may be the reason, it makes more sense).
And the sound of fairy who makes the first scene of the game, Isn't a reference to the Navi, but to the two fairy Tatl and Tael, who were watching him, waiting to give a fright.
That's just straight up fan-fiction.

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Day or night in Hyrule this window always shines gold. That's not a proof? maybe.
An insignificant element that's just there for aesthetic. With OoT, they don't care whether the right amount of light shines through every window of every house in Hyrule during the day. Shouldn't really matter.

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Navi flew to the window that has the golden light, this light is probably the golden light of heaven Sacred Realm.
OR maybe it was just the light of the sun shining through the window. Just like the glass painting of every church.

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After that he went to live in Lon Lon Ranch with Talon and Malon (maybe his future wife) and thus had access to Epona. But for a strange reason he decided to look for an old friend in the Lost Woods. Well, Saria was certainly the first best friend of Link, and was wont to go to Sacred Forest Meadow walking through the Lost Woods. Or maybe Link was looking for his OoT masked piper friend, the Skull Kid who often played flute with Link in Lost Woods.
Its been confirmed that it was Navi he was looking for. Why would Link look for Saria if he knew what happened to her? And the Skull Kid has no connection to the story of OoT at all. You don't even have to talk to him unless your do the side-quest the Happy Mask Salesman tasks you with.

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But if this old friend is Navi the Fairy as many believe, i think the initial story in Majora's Mask has no meaning because definitely does not fit with the end of history shown in "Ocarina of Time." And Probably the production of Majora's Mask was just a common mistake of legendary Zelda series.
What the hell you mean "if"? Its been confirmed Navi is the missing friend Link is looking for. This is a tired issue.

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After warning Zelda, Link left Hyrule and went in search of Navi, his fairy companion who left him at the end of Ocarina of Time.
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Besides, if Navi hadn't disappeared in the first place, then Link would've never left Hyrule in the first place. Meaning Oot and MM ARE directly connected.

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Saria contrary to what many say, always guided Link in its main objectives during the events of Ocarina of Time. Link and Saria always talked through the Saria's Song played on the Ocarina, even when Saria was in the Sacred Realm with other Sages and Rauru. Saria also always said he wanted to talk face to face with Link and that she would always be her friend.
You haven't been playing OoT for very long have you? Play Saria's Song is completely optional. Its Navi who's been guiding Link along in OoT. Why do you think almost everyone who's played OoT hates Navi?

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Link seal the Portal of Time, the gateway to Sacred Realm.
The Door of Time, doesn't seal the entrance to the Sacred Realm. It just seals the resting place to the Master Sword.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:16 PM
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

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That's just straight up fan-fiction.
But it makes more sense.

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An insignificant element that's just there for aesthetic. With OoT, they don't care whether the right amount of light shines through every window of every house in Hyrule during the day. Shouldn't really matter.
An insignificant element which interestingly coincides with the legends told in games previously released as A Link to the Past? Simply just appeared in the room that leads to the Sacred Realm?

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OR maybe it was just the light of the sun shining through the window. Just like the glass painting of every church.
It is an incredible opportunity to think that Navi may have the same tendency to follow the light as insects when they are hitting the lamp in the evening. She could have left the front door.

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Its been confirmed that it was Navi he was looking for. Why would Link look for Saria if he knew what happened to her? And the Skull Kid has no connection to the story of OoT at all. You don't even have to talk to him unless your do the side-quest the Happy Mask Salesman tasks you with.
At the end of Ocarina of Time Link Navi goes away and seems to accept this very well. He has no reason to demand it.
On the other hand nothing is told about Saria, maybe Link was looking for she for some reason. A less strange and controversial history happen. A story that presents no conflict with the end of Ocarina of Time.

I agree about Skull Kid.

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What the hell you mean "if"? Its been confirmed Navi is the missing friend Link is looking for. This is a tired issue.


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Besides, if Navi hadn't disappeared in the first place, then Link would've never left Hyrule in the first place. Meaning Oot and MM ARE directly connected.
Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time are connected, but this "lost fairy story" makes no sense, as far as Ocarina of Time shows.

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You haven't been playing OoT for very long have you? Play Saria's Song is completely optional. Its Navi who's been guiding Link along in OoT. Why do you think almost everyone who's played OoT hates Navi?
Navi merely repeated the message that the Sages (or Deku tree initially), had already said. So it was very annoying, but Saria did much of the work by presenting the objectives to Link. So if you have played the ocarina sometimes. You will see that Saria was much more than a guide but also a sweet friend.

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The Door of Time, doesn't seal the entrance to the Sacred Realm. It just seals the resting place to the Master Sword.
Tell that to Rauru and Zelda, I'm just quoting them. Let's think together, why the sages created the temple of time? Remenber?

Initially the Door of Time served as a seal, retained many bad hands away from the Triforce and also Master Sword.

Remember the reason there are spiritual stones, which are the keys to open the Door of Time.

The sages have created all this to maintain peace in Hyrule, so that people they could not access the Triforce. In "A Link to the Past" is told the story of a civil war in Hyrule when people discovered the legend of the triforce and the Sacred Realm.

The second seal was made to imprison Ganondorf into the Evil Realm (Sacred Realm who was transformed when Ganondorf touched the Triforce).

Do you think Ganondorf would get the spiritual stone and open the Door of Time Why? get the Master Sword? Noooo man, is Just because it is the portal that also leads to the Sacred Realm where the Triforce rests. And ganondorf dont need to get hands on Master Sword to get the Triforce. He never wanted the Master Sword and never needed it.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:36 PM
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But it makes more sense.
How does trying to interpret that the developers took advantage of Link "bumping his head and losing his memory of Navi leaving" make sense especially when that's not what the developers were thinking at all?

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An insignificant element which interestingly coincides with the legends told in games previously released as A Link to the Past? Simply just appeared in the room that leads to the Sacred Realm?
Its an insignificant part of a legend that doesn't mean anything. Besides, if you A Link to the Past, you the the sky in the Dark World is stormy and dark. The Dark World in Alttp and the Dark World in OoT are the same. Yet light still shines through in the Temple of Time.

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It is an incredible opportunity to think that Navi may have the same tendency to follow the light as insects when they are hitting the lamp in the evening.
You're seriously relating fairies to bugs?

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Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time are connected, but this "lost fairy story" makes no sense, as far as Ocarina of Time shows.
What about it doesn't make sense? Navi flies away for reasons unknown -> Link goes to find her and probably thinks she would most likely be in the Lost Woods somewhere -> While he's searching Skull Kid, Tatl, and Tael pop, steal the Ocarina of Time and Epona and Link goes after him-> Link enters Termina while chasing Skull Kid and turns into a Deku Scrub -> while still chasing Skull Kid, Link ends up in in Clock Town in Termina.

If Navi had never flown away without telling Link or anybody, Link would've never left Hyrule and MM would've never happened.

What's not to get?

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Navi merely repeated the message that the Sages (or Deku tree initially), had already said. So it was very annoying, but Saria did much of the work by presenting the objectives to Link. So if you have played the ocarina sometimes. You will see that Saria was much more than a guide but also a sweet friend.
The reason why Navi was annoying was because she never shut up. And again it was Navi who guided Link, Saria was completely optional. Navi never told Link to talk to Saria except for one time which was to find the last Spiritual Stone.

It was Navi who told you about the Temples in the Adult part of OoT, not Saria. Saria did nothing.
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Do you think Ganondorf would get the spiritual stone and open the Door of Time Why? get the Master Sword? Noooo man, is Just because it is the portal that also leads to the Sacred Realm where the Triforce rests. And ganondorf dont need to get hands on Master Sword to get the Triforce. He never wanted the Master Sword and never needed it.
Play Ocarina of Time again, the Master Sword was the only way to open the Sacred Realm and Ganondorf was unable to touch it. If Ganondorf can't touch the Master Sword, he can't take it out of the pedestal thus opening the Sacred Realm. Which is why he let Link get the 3 Spiritual Stones in the first place. Which also means if it was for Link, Ganondorf couldn't never gotten the Triforce.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:37 PM
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

I'm playing again oh yeh! lol
I just open the Door of Time and got the Master Sword

"As i tought, you held the keys to the Door of Time, you have led me to the gates of the Sacred Realm..." Ganondorf

"Ages ago, we ancient sages built the Temple of Time to protect the entrace to Sacred Realm... This is the Chamber of Sages in te Temple of Light... The Temple of Light, situated in very center of Sacred Realm, is the last stronghold against Ganondorf's evil forces. The Master Sword - the evil destroying sword that you pulled out of the pedestal of Time - was the final key to the Sacred Realm" Rauru

It Seems you're right, in the scene where Navi leaves, Link has returned the Master Sword, but WTH why we do not see the damn gate open when Link is an adult holding the Master Sword? It was because of this that the window looked like a way to Sacred Realm ... ooo This Crazy Game, makes me mad for more than a decade.

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"The Master Sword is a Sacred blade which evil ones may never touch... Only one worthy of the Title of "Hero of Time" can pull it from the Pedestal of Time..." Rauru

So presumably, that the Sages built the Temple of Time seal it so that only the Chosen (Hero of Time) could in theory get the Triforce. But Ganondorf was lucky when Link was asleep in the Temple of Light for seven years.
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WTH why we do not see the damn gate open when Link is an adult holding the Master Sword? It was because of this that the window looked like a way to Sacred Realm ... ooo This Crazy Game, makes me mad for more than a decade.
Don't expect The Legend of Zelda to make complete sense and actually there's no need to see the actual portal. And there's no reason to see a simple window as the Sacred Realm, just because light shined through it.

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So presumably, that the Sages built the Temple of Time seal it so that only the Chosen (Hero of Time) could in theory get the Triforce. But Ganondorf was lucky when Link was asleep in the Temple of Light for seven years.
Exactly, Link was the only one chosen to take the Master Sword and Ganondorf deliberately let Link get to it, just so he could jump inside before Link could.
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OK This light confusion was caused because the influence of the legend told in A Link to the Past who says that the sky shines gold not blue.

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I love this game, make me remember good times in past.

Ocarina of Time is the Hot Game of series!!!
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Hyrule Histoia says Link it's searching for Navi, so that's canonical.

And you theory makes no sense.
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At the risk of feeding a troll...

IT'S NOT FRICKIN' GOLD!

It's white, she returned to the forest (which is connected to the temple of time (the four Gossip Stones outside were blocking a path to the lost woods which was pulled during the beta).

Now, they could be any old forest after the cutting, but originally it was meant to be the Lost Woods in OoT.

Supports for Faron Woods being the remnants of the original Lost Woods/Kokiri Forest area being the Kokiri marking on the Forest Dungeon (Kokiri->Monkey? could be...) and the presence of a Skull Kid playing Saria's Song, added by the fact the original theme for the area surrounding the ruined temple was the ALttP Lost Woods Theme, which also had a pedestal of time with little else.
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Sorry but now my sense, is the nintendo sense
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You're "Nintendo sense" is non-sense.

Trying to interpret what the developers were doing because of some weird backstory you came up when it doesn't make sense at all and isn't what the developers were doing isn't a theory at all.

Hyrule Historia beyond everything else in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask debunks this fan-fiction of yours in numerous ways.
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Sorry but now my sense, is the nintendo sense
I thought it was made painfully obvious that Navi, knowing her mission was complete, simply flew out of the window to return to Kokiri Forest. Link, after some time, began to miss her and set out on a quest to find her.

So, really, the question should be: Why was Navi being such a dick to Link by not bothering to explain to him why she had to leave, and where she'd be going.
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I thought it was made painfully obvious that Navi, knowing her mission was complete, simply flew out of the window to return to Kokiri Forest. Link, after some time, began to miss her and set out on a quest to find her.

So, really, the question should be: Why was Navi being such a dick to Link by not bothering to explain to him why she had to leave, and where she'd be going.
A better question would be, why the hell is this still an issue?
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If Nintendo was really thinking such extreme claims, can you back this up? Quotes? Physical evidence?
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Re: Ocarina of Time: What really happened at the end!

that window should be the sacred realm thatd be awesome but i think its just an infinite light that shines on the master sword to show the gate between the realms....
reason why i dont think it is the sacred realm is because in alttp and tp and even windwaker the sword no longer is in a building...but then again the sword is no longer a link between times and realms...
the master sword served different purposes like just slaying ganon.
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I think we can all just agree that the window Navi flies out of is just that. A window. She flies outside to Goddesses know where.
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