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Moving the capital and following tradition would name a different landmark the same name...
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:27 PM
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Moving the capital and following tradition would name a different landmark the same name...
No it wouldn't. Especially when the two landmarks are still relatively close together.
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But they didn’t have OoT Lake Hylia anymore. It would be south to Ordona. And if it was a tradition that the lake was named Lake Hylia, they would call it that. The lake in tMC is also called Lake Hylia.

As for the Death Mountain being a part of a mountain range, I think DM is DM. I don’t know much about mountains, but in Hyrule, a mountain probably could move in a period of thousands of years.

Just my theory thought.
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Either there are two Lake Hylias and two Death Mountains, or the Temples in TP and OOT are not the same temple. It's as simple as that.
Why do you assume that? Why can't there be one temple and one Death Mountain?

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People don't give different major land marks the same name. They just don't. I don't see why they would even in the fictional land of Hyrule. Buildings often are given the same name though when one is a replacement of the other.
They named an entirely different land "Hyrule", so I wouldn't see why they wouldn't give different major land marks the same name.
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:14 PM
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Why do you assume that? Why can't there be one temple and one Death Mountain?



They named an entirely different land "Hyrule", so I wouldn't see why they wouldn't give different major land marks the same name.
Death Mountain is at the NE end of the OOT map. It's also at the NE end of the TP map. If the OOT ToT location is in the Sacred grove of TP, then it is on the southern end of the map, meaning Death Mountain should be due East of it. Meaning Everything south of Death Mountain on the TP map must be North of the OOT Death Mountain.

Naming a new country is different. A country is its people, not necessarily a location. Countries often change their boundaries. Look at Russia. In an instance where the entire population of a country moves to a new location it's not at all unusual for them to keep the name. This is especially true in Kingdoms that are named after the ruling King, which Hyrule is. The Kingdom in ST is still ruled by the Hyrule Royal Family.

You'll notice that there is no Death Mountain or Lake Hylia in the new Hyrule though.
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:28 PM
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Yes, and Lake Hylia still gets its water from Zoras Domain. Actually, Zoras Domain most be a new one too, and it still got the same name.. just sayin’
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:38 PM
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Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of Zoras domain. There is just more and more reason to believe that it is a different temple. Or maybe the ruins of the SS ToT. Maybe after the location of the MS was compromised after OOT, they moved it?
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Naming a new country is different. A country is its people, not necessarily a location.
Assuming that the old Lake Hylia dried out and a new lake formed, why can't they name that lake after the old one?
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Old 03-18-2012, 06:51 PM
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^ TP's Lake Hylia could've been there all along; and its just that the land north of there hadn't been settled yet.


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Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of Zoras domain. There is just more and more reason to believe that it is a different temple. Or maybe the ruins of the SS ToT. Maybe after the location of the MS was compromised after OOT, they moved it?
Nope. It stays put:

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時の神殿
Temple of Time

聖地にある光の神殿へと続く唯一の入口。太古の時代、砂漠にあった神殿と同名であるが、ラウル に造られた神 殿の埸所は、封印の神殿があった埸所にあたると思われる。
The only enterance to the Temple of Light, which is in the Holy Land. In ancient times, there was a temple which had the same name; but the location in which Rauru built the temple was where the temple of the seal was thought to be.

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時の勇者時代の軌跡
Traces of the Era of the Hero of Time

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マスターソードの台座がある時の神殿は朽ち、森の中の廃墟のようになっている。
The pedestal of the Master Sword is in the decayed Temple of Time, which has become the ruins in the middle of the forest.
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Old 03-18-2012, 08:03 PM
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Maybe it got engulfed by the Lost Woods and was magically moved.
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^ The Master Sword was where they founded the original capital, which was in the middle of the land on which Hyrule sits.

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ハイリアの地
The Land of Hylia

女神の神殿が建てられた、世界の中心地。女神ハイリアはこの場所を切り取り、人間を大空へ逃が した。その跡 地に終焉の者を封印したため、この地は封印の地、女神の神殿は封印の神殿と呼ばれるようになる 。
The Temple of the goddess was built in the center of the world. The goddess Hylia cut this place out and sent the humans to the sky. Because she sealed the Man of the End [Demise] in the ruins, this place was the land of the seal, and the Temple of the Goddess comes to be called the temple of the seal.
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Era of Prosperity

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女神ハイリアの生まれ変わりであるゼルダの血を引く者が、ハイラル王国を建国。時の神殿がある ハイラルの中 心地に城を構え、聖地とトライフォースを密はい守る。
Those who had come down the bloodline of Zelda, the reincarnation of the goddess Hylia, founded Hyrule. The Temple of Time was held in the center of Hyrule with a castle near so the Holy Land and the Triforce were protected.
Therefore, the Master Sword never moves from its spot. Right there in the pedestal to stay.

And that's what OP illustrated in his map, something I agree with wholeheartedly.
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Old 03-18-2012, 08:26 PM
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Just suggesting that the whole temple along with the pedestal was moved by the Lost Woods. It would explain a lot. Middle doesn't even mean anything if there is nothing for it to be relative to.

All geologic evidence points to the temple not being the same place as OOT.
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No. The pedestal of the Master Sword remains in the same place. I never said that because they moved the capital from OoT to TP that they also moved the sword. I said that the capital, and really the whole settlement in Hyrule, moved. And so they left the sword and the ruins of the old capital behind.
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Old 03-18-2012, 08:52 PM
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I gotta say, invoking the Lost Woods like that is grasping, especially since we have no indications that the woods are in fact capable of moving things like that. Even if they were, they'd still have to get to Castle Town to begin with before the Master Sword can be moved to a different location in the woods.

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I have the translation of that part floating around on this forum:

And I never used Google translate.
Hush you. I skimmed your thread but couldn't find it. Actually, I initially looked for the wrong page to begin with.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:26 PM
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I'm just speculating. Point is, the ToT's location in TP doesn't make sense geologically as the the same location as the ToT in OOT. It's easily possible that the sword was moved between OOT and TP.

The MS was not moved between SS and when the capital was built around it (OOT). Nothing says it couldn't have been moved afterwards.
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^ What doesn't make sense about it?

The ruins to the old Temple of Time are there. Death Mountain is in the same direction from there.

The thing about TP Hyrule is that its just the northern half of the land on which Hyrule sits. The original capital was founded in the center of Hyrule, at the site of a temple that was built--long before--at the center of the world. Obviously, there's more to Hyrule than what's showing on each map. Its all one big continent.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:47 PM
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^ What doesn't make sense about it?

The ruins to the old Temple of Time are there. Death Mountain is in the same direction from there.

The thing about TP Hyrule is that its just the northern half of the land on which Hyrule sits. The original capital was founded in the center of Hyrule, at the site of a temple that was built--long before--at the center of the world. Obviously, there's more to Hyrule than what's showing on each map. Its all one big continent.
I still don't get the whole center of the world thing. There is no such thing as a center of the world. World's are spherical. Unless they mean the core.

What doesn't make sense is the repeating geology south of the TP map. Directly south of TP's map is apparently another Death Mountain, another Lake Hylia, fed by another Zora's River, which originates in another Zora's Domain. All of these things pretty much line up with their TP counterparts.

The ruins of the old Hyrule Castle would be easily visible from anywhere near the Temple of Time, but there is no trace of it. A stone castle like that takes an incredibly long time to erode.
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Visibility, due to the trees, had been diminished. The ruins are probably in the forest, but in a part of the forest you do not visit in the game.

Also, another in-game indication that its the same is that when you go through the time portal to the Temple of Time; lo and behold the N64 Temple of Time music from OoT.I think the developers, indeed, intended for it to be the same area. Do we know what happened in those few-hundred years between? No. But we do know that the capital moved, and left the sword behind and forgotten.
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I still don't get the whole center of the world thing. There is no such thing as a center of the world. World's are spherical. Unless they mean the core.
Assumes the world is spherical and outer space exists. May not necessarily be the case. The OoT creation scene certainly suggests otherwise, with stuff falling into place as Din flies overhead.

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What doesn't make sense is the repeating geology south of the TP map. Directly south of TP's map is apparently another Death Mountain, another Lake Hylia, fed by another Zora's River, which originates in another Zora's Domain. All of these things pretty much line up with their TP counterparts.
The only strange bits are Lake Hylia and Zora's River. Death Mountain is actually around where it was, relative to the Master Sword, in OoT.
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