Ganon, dead or not?

Originally Posted by explodingpenguin

Ganon will never stay dead. In Skyward Sword, Demise said "My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end!" This implies that every Link will face a version of Demise's hatred. Bringing this back to Ganon, I feel that Ganon is the closet reincarnation of Demise than any of the other villains. Ganon and Demise both wanted the Triforce, they both wanted to rule the world and they were both defeated by an incarnation of Link. Therefore, as long as Link and Zelda's bloodlines exist, Ganon lives on.

Demise has a point though.

It doesn't have to always be Ganondorf. Someone else can easily take his place.

As long as they have Demise's hatred in their blood, then yeah. There's that "cycle with no end".

Originally Posted by Eternal Legend

Demise has a point though.

It doesn't have to always be Ganondorf. Someone else can easily take his place.

As long as they have Demise's hatred in their blood, then yeah. There's that "cycle with no end".

True, but what I meant was that Ganon, in my opinion, is the closest reincarnation of that hate because their goals were so similar.
The other villains' intentions aren't as close to Demise's as Ganon's are.

Demise is more than just someone who wants the Triforce and who keeps being reborn just to have it. He is the incarnation of the source of all the evil and all the monsters in the world. As long as there is evil, there is Demise. As long as the Force which resides within everyone by the grace of the Goddesses still exists, there will be someone, man, sub-man, or monster, who will covet it, and that is Demise.

Bellum, the ancient dark tribes who created Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow, Malladus, Cole, Vaati, Twinrova, Uncle Rupee, Majiyo(?), the evil magician who put Zelda to sleep, the horde of monsters who the Hero of Men Bound in a Chest, and the restless minions of Ganon who resurrected him before the original Legend of Zelda and who tried to do it again after Link killed him again, all have evil, which is of Demise. Thus, all of them are incarnations of Demise.

Demise's name in other languages besides English make it more clear that he is the personification of a concept rather than just a super-powerful being. Link could only destroy his true form in Skyward Sword, after that he became formless.

Even if it's not over the Triforce, Demise will come back to fight the forces of good once again, in every timeline.

Pretty sure if that sword gets pulled out of his head, hell be free again. But what are the odds of someone swimming to the bottom of the sea to pull a sword out of a rock? If we wait for the seas to dry up its gonna be a VERY long time.

We could always get an Aganim (sp?) situation where a dark sorcerer contacts and acts as his avatar with plans to free him.

He transformed into a rock only because they didn't want to show blood, they wanted an E rating. This was stated by Bill Trinen and another guy from the translation team. His soul still remains though, presumably in another realm.

At this point, I want to see a new incarnation of Demise to act as the main villain for a little bit, but that does not mean I want Ganon gone. Maybe next time around he can act as an Aganim, or Zant, whre he is just the bait, and he does not have the Triforce of Power. It's highly unlikely this will happen though.

Originally Posted by Spoon Link

Demise is more than just someone who wants the Triforce and who keeps being reborn just to have it. He is the incarnation of the source of all the evil and all the monsters in the world. As long as there is evil, there is Demise. As long as the Force which resides within everyone by the grace of the Goddesses still exists, there will be someone, man, sub-man, or monster, who will covet it, and that is Demise.

Bellum, the ancient dark tribes who created Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow, Malladus, Cole, Vaati, Twinrova, Uncle Rupee, Majiyo(?), the evil magician who put Zelda to sleep, the horde of monsters who the Hero of Men Bound in a Chest, and the restless minions of Ganon who resurrected him before the original Legend of Zelda and who tried to do it again after Link killed him again, all have evil, which is of Demise. Thus, all of them are incarnations of Demise.

Demise's name in other languages besides English make it more clear that he is the personification of a concept rather than just a super-powerful being. Link could only destroy his true form in Skyward Sword, after that he became formless.

Even if it's not over the Triforce, Demise will come back to fight the forces of good once again, in every timeline.

That is probably the best explanation I've heard, even if it is only a theory. What you're saying is that Demise represents/is evil in the world, and his curse on Link represents the fact that you can never entirely vanquish evil from the world, right?

I bet Ganon will be back. He's the best incarnation of Demise's hate. You can never get rid of really good bad guys.

I actually want to see a Zelda game where there's two powerful bad guys at the end, something like Gannondorf and Demise teaming up

Originally Posted by Kaldien

I actually want to see a Zelda game where there's two powerful bad guys at the end, something like Gannondorf and Demise teaming up

Ganondorf's hatred/evil comes from demise.. so them teaming up wouldn't really ever happen because Ganondorf is only evil/created when demise doesn't exist...

Originally Posted by explodingpenguin

Ganon will never stay dead. In Skyward Sword, Demise said "My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end!" This implies that every Link will face a version of Demise's hatred. Bringing this back to Ganon, I feel that Ganon is the closet reincarnation of Demise than any of the other villains. Ganon and Demise both wanted the Triforce, they both wanted to rule the world and they were both defeated by an incarnation of Link. Therefore, as long as Link and Zelda's bloodlines exist, Ganon lives on.

Couldnt have said it better myself.... The only way I think Ganon won't appear is if a diffrent reincarnation to Demise is born.

Originally Posted by guitarman741

Couldnt have said it better myself.... The only way I think Ganon won't appear is if a diffrent reincarnation to Demise is born.

Well, there have been other incarnation's of Demise's hatred, for example, Malladus and Bellum. But I think Ganon will keep appearing because he's the closest reincarnation to Demise.

Originally Posted by explodingpenguin

Well, there have been other incarnation's of Demise's hatred, for example, Malladus and Bellum. But I think Ganon will keep appearing because he's the closest reincarnation to Demise.

Did not know those two enemies were incarnations of Demise, just thought they were just two bad guys.

Originally Posted by DoubleDowneyJr

Did not know those two enemies were incarnations of Demise, just thought they were just two bad guys.

well I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) Demise is like the original evil, the creator of evil, evils origin. everything evil can be traced back to him..

Originally Posted by DoubleDowneyJr

At this point, I want to see a new incarnation of Demise to act as the main villain for a little bit, but that does not mean I want Ganon gone. Maybe next time around he can act as an Aganim, or Zant, whre he is just the bait, and he does not have the Triforce of Power. It's highly unlikely this will happen though.

I actually like this idea. It's highly unlikely to happen but it would be a nice change nonetheless. Going through the first part of a game and fighting Ganon, expecting him to be the villain all the way through the game and then BAM another villain pops out. It would almost be a Zant move, but if played out right it could be really nice.

Too bad it probably won't ever happen. :c

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Originally Posted by Champman

well I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) Demise is like the original evil, the creator of evil, evils origin. everything evil can be traced back to him..

Don't quote me on this, but I believe Demise is just the Demon King, not creator of all Demons. I don't think it's ever stated where the demons actually came from...they were just there.

@Hylian Phantom

Originally Posted by Phi

This eternal being [Demise] has conquered time itself. It is the source of all monsters.

I don't think anyone but Ganondorf is the incarnation of Demise's hatred/his reincarnation, quite simply because Demise and the bad guys shares few to no common points, whereas Demise and Ganondorf accumulate the point in common. Not to mention Ganondorf's theme is actually a part of the "Battlefield of Demise" theme.

Besides, Link wished for Demise to be killed. No matter how he conquered time or is the source of all monsters, he's no longer eternal against the omnipotence of the Triforce.

Though this is not the end. My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again! Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!

As I understand it, he is not always present. Otherwise the "it is born anew" doesn't make sense. There are certain individuals who are "corrupted" by his hatred across time with Ganondorf being one of them. So I don't think that it can be generalized to include every evil being.

I like to think of it as there is no definite way for Link to kill Ganon. When he does defeat him, part of Ganon still remains, kinda like HP and horcruxes.

gadzooks! maybe Link is a horcrux! what an interesting crossover that would be lol

I think it would be cool if Ganon returned, but an even greater otherworldly threat was the main villain. So Ganon would have no choice but to team up with Link and Zelda. Obviously this villain would have to be extremely powerful whose intentions were to destroy the world, in order for Ganon to not team up with it.