Hyrule Historia Thread: Part II (translations by ShiKage)

There's some more scans and translations here: Hyrule Historia scans and translations - Legends Alliance Forums

Tons of things are confirmed such as the Sealed Grounds turning into the Temple of Time in Ocarina of Time.

Here it is at long last!

年代記に含まない作品について
About the works not included in the chronology.

シリーズには、ほかにも「リンクのボウガントレーコング」やスピンオフ作品などがあるが、年代記の中には含 めていない。
In the series, there is also "Link's Crossbow Training" and other spin-offs, but they're not included in the chronology.

NOT CANON CONFIRMED

Ok, quick question to Baton of the Wind. After seeing what Captain Ricecake said about the Hero's Shade being a manifestation of regret and not Link himself, do you still stand by what you say about how the HS is the HoT's spirit, or do you now agree with Captain Ricecake?

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Originally Posted by The Baton of the Wind

Here it is at long last!

NOT CANON CONFIRMED

And thank God

After seeing what Captain Ricecake said about the Hero's Shade being a manifestation of regret and not Link himself, do you still stand by what you say about how the HS is the HoT's spirit, or do you now agree with Captain Ricecake?

Can you show me the post, I may have missed it.

Originally Posted by The Baton of the Wind

Can you show me the post, I may have missed it.

He just said this:

EDIT: I just have to say that I find it funny... The Hero's shade isn't Link. It's what remained in Hyrule when Link died: his regret. That's why the sentence specifies "It" and "Link" as two different entities.

What do you think?

Originally Posted by TheLegendofZelda30

He just said this:



What do you think?

Interjecting, I think it's B.S. It doesn't state the Hero of Time and the apparition of the Hero of Time as two separate entities.

Link, the one of Twilight Princess, and the apparition of the Hero of Time are two separate entities, though, of course.

Originally Posted by The Baton of the Wind

Here it is at long last!

NOT CANON CONFIRMED

Huh? Doesn't say anything of that sort

Originally Posted by Big One

Huh? Doesn't say anything of that sort

It says Links crossbow training and other spin offs are not in the chronology....this means they have no place in the timeline and thus its like these games do not exist.

aka not canon. Assuming the quote is true of course.

Does it, by any chance, mention anything about the third Oracle game that was cancelled? Any concepts or artwork?

Originally Posted by Son_michael

It says Links crossbow training and other spin offs are not in the chronology....this means they have no place in the timeline and thus its like these games do not exist.

aka not canon. Assuming the quote is true of course.

All that says is that neither are included in the timeline shown in Hyrule Historia.

Doesn't mean they aren't canon. Canon refer to explicitly a specific aspect of the series and if it was worth noting they aren't canon, it would literally plainly say, "These aren't canon."

As far as I was aware, LCT was just a supplement to TP. It's still canon. And while it's not in the HH line, you could easily amalgamate it into the TP if you wanted.

After all, they treated FS and FSA as important enough to put into the timeline, and their premise wasn't that much more complex or important as LCT's story - except maybe FSA, but more because it was used to loosely retell the LttP story.

Originally Posted by Big One

All that says is that neither are included in the timeline shown in Hyrule Historia.

Doesn't mean they aren't canon. Canon refer to explicitly a specific aspect of the series and if it was worth noting they aren't canon, it would literally plainly say, "These aren't canon."

isn't canon just a fan term? There's no way any real publishing company would ever print "canon"


and I don't understand what your saying, how can a game be canon without having a place in the timeline? I mean sure its an authentic game but its just meant to be a game to have fun with where as all the other games are apart of the entire Legend of the franchise that's passed down from era to era since Hyrules creation. So with all that in mind? how do you consider side games that have no place in the timeline to be cannon?

Originally Posted by Son_michael

isn't canon just a fan term? There's no way any real publishing company would ever print "canon"

No, canon has everything to do with being official and yes publishing companies DO print canon such as established Star Trek, Buffy, Star Wars canon. The most ancient of these and the origin of the term comes from the creation of the Holy Bible in which books were deemed canonically and noncanonical by the church.

For there to be a canon it has to be officially recognized as such.

Originally Posted by Son_michael

and I don't understand what your saying, how can a game be canon without having a place in the timeline? I mean sure its an authentic game but its just meant to be a game to have fun with where as all the other games are apart of the entire Legend of the franchise that's passed down from era to era since Hyrules creation. So with all that in mind? how do you consider side games that have no place in the timeline to be cannon?

I don't see how AST is a game made for fun while other Zelda games aren't. Every Zelda game is made for fun, that's the entire purpose. AST has just as much narrative as ALttP does and even more story than the first two Zelda games, Link's Awakening, and the Oracles games

Canon is indeed a real term used in all sorts of media;

• a general law, rule, principle, or criterion by which something is judged.
  
• the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art: the neoclassical canon.
  
• a fundamental principle or general rule: the canons of good behaviour.
  
• a standard; criterion: the canons of taste.

It's generally used to denote authenticity on a given work or institution of conventions.

I mean sure its an authentic game but its just meant to be a game to have fun with where as all the other games are apart of the entire Legend of the franchise that's passed down from era to era since Hyrules creation. So with all that in mind? how do you consider side games that have no place in the timeline to be cannon?

FS and FSA would like to know too.

Originally Posted by Big One

There's some more scans and translations here: Hyrule Historia scans and translations - Legends Alliance Forums

Tons of things are confirmed such as the Sealed Grounds turning into the Temple of Time in Ocarina of Time.

I knew it! And people thought that Lanayru's ToT was OoT's ToT.

So, LCT and AST are not included in the Historia timeline, good to know that. Thus, we can basically consider them irrelevant in timeline theorizing.

Even though there is no official Zelda canon it is still possible to apply the word, for all practical purposes, as the games of the Hyrule Historia timeine. If one does not want to abuse the word, then one could simply replace it with "according to the information presented in Hyrule Historia or in the games mentioned therein". However, it seems a bit incovenient to use such a long phrase.

Anyway, is the Hero's Shade the HoT or is it/he some fragment of his regret?

/Blue Window

Originally Posted by Blue Window

So, LCT and AST are not included in the Historia timeline, good to know that. Thus, we can basically consider them irrelevant in timeline theorizing.

Even though there is no official Zelda canon it is still possible to apply the word, for all practical purposes, as the games of the Hyrule Historia timeine. If one does not want to abuse the word, then one could simply replace it with "according to the information presented in Hyrule Historia or in the games mentioned therein". However, it seems a bit incovenient to use such a long phrase.

Anyway, is the Hero's Shade the HoT or is it/he some fragment of his regret?

/Blue Window

There is nothing wrong with saying the games featured in Hyrule Historia are undoubtedly canon, which is completely understandable and makes sense. What is wrong is spreading misinformation such as, "Hyrule Historia says that LCT and AST isn't canon." which is a straight up lie and factually incorrect statement. It doesn't even say it's out of continuity, all the quote says is that they didn't include those two games in the timeline. That does NOT mean however that they are out of continuity, or non-canon, it just means they didn't create a page or two for them.

^

You'll probably find a lot of these issues are purely out of not having read the entire document yet. A lot of people are only getting spurts of updated information, and it's not unfair to understand that there could be different translations and interpretations of passages. Not that anything you said was incorrect as far as I was aware.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

^

You'll probably find a lot of these issues are purely out of not having read the entire document yet. A lot of people are only getting spurts of updated information, and it's not unfair to understand that there could be different translations and interpretations of passages. Not that anything you said was incorrect as far as I was aware.

The thing is however is that the person posted a clear translation twice; in fact, he already posted that exact translation from another pic. He still declares that it means something completely different than what it actually says. By this point, there is simply not an excuse, and Baton of the Wind is pretty vocal about his bias against AST.

Originally Posted by Big One

There is nothing wrong with saying the games featured in Hyrule Historia are undoubtedly canon, which is completely understandable and makes sense. What is wrong is spreading misinformation such as, "Hyrule Historia says that LCT and AST isn't canon." which is a straight up lie and factually incorrect statement. It doesn't even say it's out of continuity, all the quote says is that they didn't include those two games in the timeline. That does NOT mean however that they are out of continuity, or non-canon, it just means they didn't create a page or two for them.

It is indeed wrong to claim that the Historia states that AST and LCT are non-canon, or "not included in the continuity" or something similar.

Still, the word "canon" seems to have no valid usage wihtin the Zelda community. If the theorizing community will treat the information from the Historia as "what is actually relevant and official", then it follows as a consequence that AST and LCT will be excluded from that definition, and thus from the timeline-related theorizing sections. Therefore they will, in practice, be non-canonical (even though they are not).

/Blue Window