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Old 01-02-2012, 04:41 AM
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Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

As we all know Ganondorf is a reincarnation of Demises hatred... Well what about Zelda's second biggest baddie? No not Majora as she's only had one Zelda game. I'm talking about the demon god himself Vaati! I feel the DEMON Girahim has uncanny resemblance to Vaati in not just appearance but also personality and behavior. I feel the only explanation currently is just like how Ganondorf is a reincarnation of Demise, Girahim is essentially the same for Vaati.
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:45 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

I thought Zant resembled Vaati in some way.

They're all pale, slim, evil, a little insane etc... However I think that's just pushing it. I don't see how Ghirahim and Vaati relate to each other.
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:52 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

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I thought Zant resembled Vaati in some way.

They're all pale, slim, evil, a little insane etc... However I think that's just pushing it. I don't see how Ghirahim and Vaati relate to each other.
Well just as Malladus is also likely a reincarnation of Demise like Gannondorf than Zant possibly could be one of Ghirahim just ike Vaati.

And well all 3 are purple, flamboyant, and crazy yet also able to be serious. Ghirahim and Vaati are both demons and with Zant the Twili could easily be argued to be demons as well.

Ghirahim could easily be the precursor the the Twili which would make Vaati one as well.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:40 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

^Vaati was not a twili.
But I'm one great promoter of this theory since I saw Ghirahim, and after seeing the relation between him and Demise, and him being Demise's WEAPON, I came to the conclusion that Vaati, Zant, and Aganhim (and possibly Cole) are all reincarnations of Ghirahim or are remotely related to him in some way. They all try to resurrect their master, or something along the lines (except maybe Vaati, but he is eventually USED by Ganon as a WEAPON to wreck havoc on Hyrule).
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:46 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Aonuma said they are not at all related. He also said it's likely they share similar characteristics as they were all designed by Fujibayashi, who worked as the director for both the Minish Cap and Skyward Sword.

So no; Vaati is not a reincarnation of Ghirahim.
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:56 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Not possible, Zant and Vaati are nowhere as as Ghirahim is.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:29 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

All these guys are evil magick wizardy types who do evil stuff. But unless stated otherwise, I think different names usually imply different things in the Zelda Universe. Mt. Crenel, for example, is not Death Mountain. It's Mt. Crenel. There's no evidence that it's the same mountain, and there is plenty of evidence that Hyrule has lots of mountains in it.

Anyway, maybe all these people went to the same School of Evil?
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:31 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Maybe he was one of the other followers of Demise in the intro, along with Agahnim and Ghirahim.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:36 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Vaati and Ghirahim were both captured into swords, both look fairly similar, and FSA has Ganondorf and Vaati working together, which is alot like SS
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:41 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Only Demise's hatred was reincarnated. No where does it say Ghirahim will return. As for me, Demise killed him, trapped him in the evil sword, and then the sword poofed away at the end. End of Ghirahim.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:47 AM
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Only Demise's hatred was reincarnated. No where does it say Ghirahim will return. As for me, Demise killed him, trapped him in the evil sword, and then the sword poofed away at the end. End of Ghirahim.
I doubt he died.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:51 AM
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I doubt he died.
He looks pretty dead to me.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:54 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Also bear in mind that Ghirahim is a demon/evil fairy that is the personification and essence of Demise's sword.

Vaati is an ordinary Picori/Minish who simply stole Ezlo's magical cap and wished to take human form and be endowed in magic.

Completely different origins and contexts.
Bear in mind with Demise, Demise specifically cursed Zelda and Link that he be reincarnated to trouble their lineage, and that Ganondorf has the dark skin and red hair of Demise. It's a very deliberate connection. Ghirahim and Vaati are absolutely different entities, not linked in any way.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:59 AM
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Also bear in mind that Ghirahim is a demon/evil fairy that is the personification and essence of Demise's sword.

Vaati is an ordinary Picori/Minish who simply stole Ezlo's magical cap and wished to take human form and be endowed in magic.

Completely different origins and contexts.
Bear in mind with Demise, Demise specifically cursed Zelda and Link that he be reincarnated to trouble their lineage, and that Ganondorf has the dark skin and red hair of Demise. It's a very deliberate connection. Ghirahim and Vaati are absolutely different entities, not linked in any way.
Other than the fact that they have both been trapped in swords and that they are identical. And they both have worked with a Demise incarnation.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:06 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

They are in absolutely no way identical.
The most obvious being skin colour where one is purple skinned and the other a grey-green.
They are radically different. The only thing they share is a hairstyle that is parted to one side.

Vaati worked for himself way before the birth of a Demise incarnation (Ganondorf).
It's only centuries later after his second defeat that Vaati is revived by Ganon.

The two are not connected prior to this.

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Again, Vaati was a regular minish who simply wished to be a sorceror of wind. He wished on Ezlo's magic cap to grant this wish. He was never a demon, nor god, nor sorceror prior to that.



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Aonuma said they are not at all related. He also said it's likely they share similar characteristics as they were all designed by Fujibayashi, who worked as the director for both the Minish Cap and Skyward Sword.

So no; Vaati is not a reincarnation of Ghirahim.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:07 AM
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They are in absolutely no way identical.
The most obvious being skin colour where one is purple skinned and the other a grey-green.
They are radically different. The only thing they share is a hairstyle that is parted to one side.

Vaati worked for himself way before the birth of a Demise incarnation (Ganondorf).
It's only centuries later after his second defeat that Vaati is revived by Ganon.

The two are not connected prior to this.

---------- Post added at 05:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:02 PM ----------

Again, Vaati was a regular minish who simply wished to be a sorceror of wind. He wished on Ezlo's magic cap to grant this wish. He was never a demon, nor god, nor sorceror prior to that.



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And of course the fact;
I never played FS,FSA what was the purpose of the reviving of Vaati?
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:35 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

My theory supports that, as Demise said, he's hatred shall reborn, etc. So I think that every evil we see in Hyrule (this includes all bad guys, Cole, Vaati, The bosses, etc) is somewhat related to Demise.

But Vaati have a skin-only similarity with Ghirahim, I think.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:49 AM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

It makes sense, but can there really be 2 incarnations of demise at the same time?
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:09 PM
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Re: Vaati is a reincarnation of Girahim

Has anyone ever noticed how both Ghirahim and Vaati have wind power abilities?

Vatti is called the wind mage, and Ghirahim was the one who created that dark tornado that knocked Zelda off her loftwing.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:23 PM
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Has anyone ever noticed how both Ghirahim and Vaati have wind power abilities?

Vatti is called the wind mage, and Ghirahim was the one who created that dark tornado that knocked Zelda off her loftwing.
I noticed that too
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