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Link becoming a Stalfos

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  • 08-31-2011 | 03:34 PM
  • TheMightyLiam
  • Link becoming a stalfos after Majora's Mask has long been a widely believed theory. I was just playing OoT3D and during the Biggoron's quest, after returning to the lost woods with the potion the Kokiri girl says at the end of the conversation "Maybe you will become one too?... hehe". Just thought this was interesting
  • 08-31-2011 | 03:35 PM
  • Cayenne Pepper
  • Link knows how to get out of Lost Woods though.
  • 08-31-2011 | 03:38 PM
  • TheMightyLiam
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cayenne Pepper View Post
    Link knows how to get out of Lost Woods though.
    But he is not a Kokiri, he's a Hylian. No matter if he knows the layout anyone that isn't a Kokiri will get lost in Lost woods. It is also said in OoT that it's not only if you got lost but also/or if you spend too much time in the lost woods.
  • 08-31-2011 | 03:49 PM
  • Cayenne Pepper
  • You can't get lost if you know the way out. Doesn't matter if he is Hylian or not.
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  • 08-31-2011 | 03:55 PM
  • BamaLynx
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cayenne Pepper View Post
    You can't get lost if you know the way out. Doesn't matter if he is Hylian or not.
    The Lost Woods seems like a very fluid and changing thing. Changes considerably from game to game (not only on the map, but internally as well). So, just because OoT/MM Link knows the way out at one point in his life doesn't mean he'll know the way out forever. If the Lost Woods changed between the beginning of OoT and the end of MM, then he could have easily still gotten lost.
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  • 08-31-2011 | 04:00 PM
  • TheMightyLiam
  • I agree with the above. When we see Link in the lost woods in MM, we haven't seen that before and therefore most likely neither has Link making him able to get lost.
  • 08-31-2011 | 05:34 PM
  • StinksAwakening
  • How do we even know he's in the Lost Woods? There are wooded areas all around Kokiri Forest; for all we know he could have been here:

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  • 08-31-2011 | 10:46 PM
  • Shrike
  • I just thought he became a Stalfos and everyone believed it.
  • 08-31-2011 | 11:23 PM
  • GwJumpman
  • People like to say he became a Stalfos because they use it as support for their theory that Link is the Hero's Shade. Little do they know the Hero's Shade isn't even a Stalfos...

    Anyway, there's no reason Link wouldn't be able to get out. If the woods are indeed the Lost Woods, it would look different only because it's a cutscene and not actual gameplay.
  • 09-01-2011 | 12:18 AM
  • Kado
  • I don't think Link turns into a Stalfos.

    He returns to the past with the Triforce of Courage in his possession. I think that this would prevent him from being transformed or at least prevent a permanent transformation like in Twilight Princess when Link is transformed into a Wolf by the triforce's power rather than changing into a spirit in the twilit areas.

    In addition, TP Link is probably OoT Link's descendant which would mean that Link probably remains human/hylian and returns to Hyrule after the events of Majora's Mask.

    Last edited by Kado; 09-01-2011 at 12:27 AM..
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  • 09-01-2011 | 01:10 AM
  • Pendragon1995
  • I don't think he turned into a Stalfos either. I think he went on more awesome adventures after getting out of the LW, establishing more of a legacy for himself, cementing the Hero of Time as, well, a hero and a good person. Saving the world doesn't make you a good person in my books. What happens in MM, if it happened at all, is how to prove yourself as being a good person and a hero.
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  • 09-01-2011 | 01:14 AM
  • An Hero of Time
  • Jumpman is right. The Hero's Shade isn't a stalfos, but a ghost. From what I remember, he's called the Hero's Spirit in the official Japanese translation (or was it the other way around..?)

    Anyways, he's most likely a ghost, seeing that only his face is skeletal, while the rest of his body has an ethereal presence about it.

    Also, if he were to become lost after his adventure in Termina, then he would become a skull kid - not a stalfos. Adults turn into stalfos, children turn into skull kids (or stalkids, which is what they're call in the original Japanese translation.) Kokiri don't turn into anything because they have their guardian fairies to protect them at all times. This is also confirmed through Fado's dialogue, as well as the Lost Woods gossip stone - in both the original and 3DS versions.

    Also, it's kind of hard to accept that a twelve year-old child can transform into a 7-foot, adult, undead spirit in full-blown royal armor; even by Zelda standards.

    EDIT: PS - There's a growing amount of evidence that The Hero's Shade may actually be SS Link instead.

    Last edited by An Hero of Time; 09-01-2011 at 01:16 AM..
  • 09-01-2011 | 01:29 AM
  • Kamekosta
  • I always saw the Lost Woods as the embodiment of the traveler's soul. The one who is traveling through the Woods is doing so with no direction in mind- with no goal. The longer the time spent traveling the more and more miserable he becomes... until his color vanishes and he is left with only the framework of his body. His soul is lost with no direction, and only the body remains... Hence the portrayal of the stalfos.

    The only reason link is traveling through the Lost Woods in the beginning of Majora's Mask is because he is trying to find a lost friend. His destination is what pins his soul to his body, and he has not become a stalfos. (or a skull-kid if hes a young'n) So that being said, I do think that Link becomes a stalfos at the end of MM. He never has anyone to give him reason and meaning after the events of Majora's Mask, so he is left find his own.
  • 09-01-2011 | 09:54 AM
  • Cayenne Pepper
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by BamaLynx View Post
    The Lost Woods seems like a very fluid and changing thing. Changes considerably from game to game (not only on the map, but internally as well). So, just because OoT/MM Link knows the way out at one point in his life doesn't mean he'll know the way out forever. If the Lost Woods changed between the beginning of OoT and the end of MM, then he could have easily still gotten lost.
    Well technically, 'Lost' is a status on woods, not a particular place.
    That said the ones Link was at aren't necessarily the Lost Woods.
    The Lost Woods Link knows, he knows how to get out.
    By character, Link is able to get out. His character is literally a problem solver.
    There is always a way out of the Lost Woods.
    Link WOULDN'T become a Stalfos because of the ToC on his hand at the end of OoT.
    For TP Link to inherit it, MM Link has to die/have children.
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  • 09-01-2011 | 11:33 AM
  • EmptyStar
  • I don't think OoT turned into a Stalfos, seems like a pretty unheroic death for such a dynamic character lol.


    But since when was it confirmed that the Hero's Shade isn't a Stalfos?
    =s
    Just because he doesn't have "stal" in his name?
  • 09-01-2011 | 11:37 AM
  • Labrynian Rebel
  • It's a nice sound fan theory, but I'd think Nintendo would actual mention a big plot point like that. The Hero's Shade just seems to be a spirit... thing.
  • 09-01-2011 | 11:51 AM
  • GwJumpman
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kamekosta View Post
    I always saw the Lost Woods as the embodiment of the traveler's soul. The one who is traveling through the Woods is doing so with no direction in mind- with no goal. The longer the time spent traveling the more and more miserable he becomes... until his color vanishes and he is left with only the framework of his body. His soul is lost with no direction, and only the body remains... Hence the portrayal of the stalfos.

    The only reason link is traveling through the Lost Woods in the beginning of Majora's Mask is because he is trying to find a lost friend. His destination is what pins his soul to his body, and he has not become a stalfos. (or a skull-kid if hes a young'n) So that being said, I do think that Link becomes a stalfos at the end of MM. He never has anyone to give him reason and meaning after the events of Majora's Mask, so he is left find his own.
    Ok then. How about when Link goes in the Lost Woods in OoT? He wasn't looking for anything lost and had no issues.

    And I suppose if you don't have any meaning in life, you turn into a Stalfos right? We don't know what's going on with Link after MM, so don't try and play psychiatrist.
  • 09-01-2011 | 12:36 PM
  • Crazyfreak
  • Grew up in a forest

    Goes on a quest to get three spiritual stones and medallions from confusing dungeons filled with enemies and puzzles to solve.

    Defeats the mighty king of evil.

    Goes back in time.

    Goes on a quest to get four masks from confusing dungeons filled with enemies and puzzles to solve.

    Saves country from an evil cursed mask.

    Then dies in a forest because he got lost.


    WHAT?!
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  • 09-01-2011 | 02:05 PM
  • Cayenne Pepper
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by EmptyStar View Post
    But since when was it confirmed that the Hero's Shade isn't a Stalfos?
    A Stalfos is a skeleton.
    HS is a ghost..

    Quote:
    Just because he doesn't have "stal" in his name?
    Essentially? Yeah. Stal is a race in Zelda. A race of monsters granted, but a race nonetheless.

    It's not a coincidence that EVERYTHING called Stal is a skeleton. Think about it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crazyfreak View Post
    Grew up in a forest

    Goes on a quest to get three spiritual stones and medallions from confusing dungeons filled with enemies and puzzles to solve.

    Defeats the mighty king of evil.

    Goes back in time.

    Goes on a quest to get four masks from confusing dungeons filled with enemies and puzzles to solve.

    Saves country from an evil cursed mask.

    Then dies in a forest because he got lost.


    WHAT?!
    Thank you.
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  • 09-01-2011 | 02:30 PM
  • Kuya
  • Just to clarify that he isn't a Stalfos and is just a ghost:



    You see that blue stuff around his arms, legs and stomach? That's called skin.
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