termina and the twilight realm

Originally Posted by Ningan the Lone Ninja

I'm not sure. How does that resemble the moon? And how does Majora know Hyrule even exists? This is a bit far fetched but I agree with the Termina/Twilight Realm connection.

Answer this question now, I'm bored with the How does Majora know Hyrule even exists? question, as I've been corrected.

Originally Posted by Ningan the Lone Ninja

Answer this question now, I'm bored with the How does Majora know Hyrule even exists? question, as I've been corrected.

Fireball on Death Mountain (TP) is MM's moon?

That post has a few images very clearly showing the spherical section of Death Mountain. I'm not saying this is irrefutable proof, but it is somewhat uncanny.

Supposedly the big giant lava ball in DM has a red eye similar to the MM moon, as was pointed out in another thread that I can't be bothered to link to (because I'm old and don't know how to do such things). The rest of the face was obliterated, and the images presented were fairly convincing.

At any rate, if the Pre-Twili Interlopers made the Fused Shadow (fact), and MM resembles the FS (can be argued) and MM was used by a dark tribe for hexing (fact) and the interlopers can certainly be described as a 'dark tribe' (can be argued) and the dark tribe was sealed in shadow (like the twili) then:

the interlopers are most likely the dark tribe, and they are interlopers because they are from Termina, not Hyrule.

That and Hylian Dan posted that wonderful article about people of termina wishing to destroy the Three Goddesses. Seeking the TF in the SR (and consequently invading Hyrule to do so) would definately be high on the 'dark tribe things to do' list.

^^

You wouldn't happen to have a link to Hylian Dan's article handy, would you?

It's actual on ZU, I guess you just need to search for hylian Dan and you'll probably see tons of his articles. I think the one I mentioned was called um, I don't remember. But he did compare Stone Tower to the Tower of Babel with the Terminans trying to reach heaven (hyrule) to wage war with the Goddesses and their chosen people (Hylians).

Remember, Link fell to termina, and Skullkid is said to have flown away to the heavens after the giants banished him.

Originally Posted by Revid Cargian

^^

You wouldn't happen to have a link to Hylian Dan's article handy, would you?

Here.

... 0_o

That theory is pretty incredible. And whaddya know, it makes some pretty decent amount of sense...

Now I really feel the urge to go back and play through MM...

... Actually, you know what, I'll go back and play through all of the Zelda games. I've always wanted to make a record of all of the different images and text from the Zelda games, use it to have all the knowledge in one place. Need a better camera, though... and time to play them all. =P

[QUOTE=RebeccaBlack;3959263]Once again, if the moon did teleport, then where did it teleport to? I keep seeing it as the moon disintegrating, not as the twili teleportation.


In MM, there is a way, I forget how...look it up on youtube...,to run around on the 4th day. If you look up, you can see the moon, very tiny, in the sky

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.... why didn't that work?....huh.

Originally Posted by peck

In MM, there is a way, I forget how...look it up on youtube...,to run around on the 4th day. If you look up, you can see the moon, very tiny, in the sky

Kinda hard to use a glitched part of the game as proof. =P The reason the moon would be up there is because the games' code thinks you've finished the game. It's running as if Majora's Mask was defeated, and the Moon went through it's rainbow-induced transportation/disintegration. Nintendo would have needed the Moon gone during the end-game cutscenes, so the easiest way is to move it far, far away from the players' view.

You'd think they'd just remove it completely, but yeah, I wouldn't take glitches as evidence.

Originally Posted by Slender Man

You'd think they'd just remove it completely, but yeah, I wouldn't take glitches as evidence.

Maybe it required more coding to remove it entirely on the N64? It might not be too difficult on todays' consoles, but maybe it was technologically more difficult then. That might explain why we see so many extras and weird things that have no purpose.

Then again, games like Super Mario Sunshine had that weird book in the 8 Red Coins Bottle level, so... maybe it is just developer laziness. =/

Originally Posted by Revid Cargian

Kinda hard to use a glitched part of the game as proof. =P The reason the moon would be up there is because the games' code thinks you've finished the game. It's running as if Majora's Mask was defeated, and the Moon went through it's rainbow-induced transportation/disintegration. Nintendo would have needed the Moon gone during the end-game cutscenes, so the easiest way is to move it far, far away from the players' view.

No, it's more than that because the moon isn't like it was on the 1st day, it's waaaaaaaaaaay up in the sky. Also, Kafe's wedding's going on outside, so they made "A new day" (that's what they call it in the game) a part of the game.

Originally Posted by peck

No, it's more than that because the moon isn't like it was on the 1st day, it's waaaaaaaaaaay up in the sky. Also, Kafe's wedding's going on outside, so they made "A new day" (that's what they call it in the game) a part of the game.

*sigh* So what you're saying is that the Moon was pushed back into orbit based on the fact that it's pushed way out of the way for the cutscenes, and the only way you could possibly find out the Moon is pushed way back in the first place is by glitching the game?

Sorry, not buying it.

Originally Posted by Slender Man

*sigh* So what you're saying is that the Moon was pushed back into orbit based on the fact that it's pushed way out of the way for the cutscenes, and the only way you could possibly find out the Moon is pushed way back in the first place is by glitching the game?

Sorry, not buying it.

The designers could have easily moved the moon ANWHERE for those cutscenes, including under Termina or far off into the horizen behind some trees.

But they didn't.

It's still up in the sky, right above the clock tower, just farther away than at any other time in the game. Like it has been put back into it's proper position before it started falling.

Hmmm.

Originally Posted by GrimmyV

The designers could have easily moved the moon ANWHERE for those cutscenes, including under Termina or far off into the horizen behind some trees.

But they didn't.

It's still up in the sky, right above the clock tower, just farther away than at any other time in the game. Like it has been put back into it's proper position before it started falling.

Hmmm.

They easily could have made Hyrule Castle a solid building in OoT, but they chose to make it a couple of walls with a huge gaping space behind it filled with invisible water. Does that prove that the castle is actually a giant floating moat? =/

It's just silly to use a glitched portion of the game, that the player cannot normally access, and use it as irrefutable proof of something. That's like using easter eggs as proof of the existence of Mario in the Zelda universe. >_>

Also, the moon on the glitched 4th day still has the evil scowling face of doom on it. Why, exactly, should the moon still have such a look if the evil controlling it has been defeated? Would it not follow that defeating the evil would remove that essence of evil from the moon, or would you suggest that Termina is now stuck with an evil moon of impending death?

Edit: Also, do you think the developers really thought anybody would glitch the game, float up into the sky, and look at the moon to see where it was or what it looked like? It was a safe distance from the players' view for the cutscenes, developers shouldn't have to worry about what players do to their games like that.

Oh, another example, in ALttP's Chris Houlihan room. Just because it's there, does it mean Hyrule Castle has, in canon, a hidden chamber specifically designed for a person that doesn't exist in the Zelda universe?

It seems odd that you, or anyone, would use out-of-context information and imagery to try to prove something like this.

Developers should and do worry about players can do to glitch their games. That's why games are play tested before release. Those guys don't just play the games just to see if things work under a normal playthrough. They actively try to break games.

Which is why the Chris Hoolihan room is there in the first place. That and Chris won a contest. The GBA and VC release actually removed his name, so he's probably not a canon part of Zelda anyway.

And... why couldn't Mario be a part of the same planet as Hyrule? Perhaps the mushroom kingdom isn't all that far away, and even if it is, I'm sure there's a warp pipe somewhere connecting the two lands.

Um... really I'm not sure if I'm convinced what happened to the moon, though I was just pointing out what developers could do.

Can someone point out where the supposed face on TP Death Mountain is?

Originally Posted by GrimmyV

Developers should and do worry about players can do to glitch their games. That's why games are play tested before release. Those guys don't just play the games just to see if things work under a normal playthrough. They actively try to break games.

Which is why the Chris Hoolihan room is there in the first place. That and Chris won a contest. The GBA and VC release actually removed his name, so he's probably not a canon part of Zelda anyway.

And... why couldn't Mario be a part of the same planet as Hyrule? Perhaps the mushroom kingdom isn't all that far away, and even if it is, I'm sure there's a warp pipe somewhere connecting the two lands.

Um... really I'm not sure if I'm convinced what happened to the moon, though I was just pointing out what developers could do.

Maybe I misspoke a bit. I don't mean they shouldn't worry about glitches in general, I'm more referring to things like the floating that was used to reach the moon on the 4th day in the first place. Something like that isn't anything the dev can do when a player decides to Gameshark his way to the stars. =P

To be fair, that was my point in bringing up Chris; just because he was there once, doesn't mean he's canon or in the least important. Hence my connection to the placement of the Moon in MM when it's somewhere the player isn't meant to see. Isn't one of the general rules of canon in any story that if you didn't see it happen, or hear it from some official source, that you can't claim it to be 100% true (and with Zelda, even then it's kinda iffy)?

Maybe I'm not remembering something, but when was the last time we saw a warp pipe in the Zelda worlds that wasn't just a blatant easter egg? =P

I'm not choosing to believe any story on what happened to the moon one way or the other, I just find it very hard to believe that the moon being placed away from the players' view during a scripted cutscene is indicitive of any proof that the moon is still high in the sky above Termina. With the face still there, mind you, which simply (at least to me) doesn't make much sense.

Oh, and for derkcloud: Fireball on Death Mountain (TP) is MM's moon?

This isn't concrete proof by far, but it is odd that there's suddenly this very spherical shape in Death Mountain.

^ And with the way the surrounding mountain rock is jutting outwards, it definitely looks like a crater and that the fireball crashed there.

Actually, there isn't really a visible face on the fireball. Although in the image it does look like there's a mouth underneath the red area. Maybe the face used to be where the red area is?

Originally Posted by Revid Cargian

They easily could have made Hyrule Castle a solid building in OoT, but they chose to make it a couple of walls with a huge gaping space behind it filled with invisible water. Does that prove that the castle is actually a giant floating moat? =/

It's just silly to use a glitched portion of the game, that the player cannot normally access, and use it as irrefutable proof of something. That's like using easter eggs as proof of the existence of Mario in the Zelda universe. >_>

Also, the moon on the glitched 4th day still has the evil scowling face of doom on it. Why, exactly, should the moon still have such a look if the evil controlling it has been defeated? Would it not follow that defeating the evil would remove that essence of evil from the moon, or would you suggest that Termina is now stuck with an evil moon of impending death?

Edit: Also, do you think the developers really thought anybody would glitch the game, float up into the sky, and look at the moon to see where it was or what it looked like? It was a safe distance from the players' view for the cutscenes, developers shouldn't have to worry about what players do to their games like that.

Oh, another example, in ALttP's Chris Houlihan room. Just because it's there, does it mean Hyrule Castle has, in canon, a hidden chamber specifically designed for a person that doesn't exist in the Zelda universe?

It seems odd that you, or anyone, would use out-of-context information and imagery to try to prove something like this.

Hold on! How can you see the moon's face? It's way too high in the air! Also, If it did have the same face, it would only be so they can mass produce quickly.MM also did the same thing to Ooc by coppying their character layouts.

Also, because of all the changed features (People gone, extra events happening, ect.), I thing the creaters made this a secret portion of the game. Not an important one, but still a part of the game.