Why does Termina exist?

My theory is that it is an alternate universe that makes up for the temporal and spacial paradoxes and contradictions in Hyrule.

For example , the song of storms is taught to Link when he is an adult by the windmill guy , however , Link goes back in time and teaches it to the windmill guy.

So that paradox creates a problem . Who made the song of storms?

In Termina , it was Flat that originally composed the song.


Termina exists , only to fill in the cracks that Hyrule has.

When the Goddesses created Hyrule, cracks in reality seeped through to another plane of existence and created Termina. That's right. Termina's an abomination against the Goddesses.

Where does it say that. I don't remember that from the game. Is that in the manual or developer's quote?

Neither, it's from the piece of crap Nintendo of America calls an official website.

So it's basically as much as canon as a Manga?

Originally Posted by alexross8

So it's basically as much as canon as a Manga?

Less actually, the mangas are Japanese and recognized as official/somewhat canon. The website is just some text thrown together at Nintendo of America.

Originally Posted by alexross8

My theory is that it is an alternate universe that makes up for the temporal and spacial paradoxes and contradictions in Hyrule.

For example , the song of storms is taught to Link when he is an adult by the windmill guy , however , Link goes back in time and teaches it to the windmill guy.

So that paradox creates a problem . Who made the song of storms?

In Termina , it was Flat that originally composed the song.


Termina exists , only to fill in the cracks that Hyrule has.

It's not exactly a paradox if you consider that some unknown person played the SoS for the windmill guy while Link was sleeping for 7 years. Then after Link learns the SoS he travels back in time and basically takes the place of the unknown person (and probably plays the SoS earlier than the other person). Who knows who that unknown person was or where he/she came from.

Originally Posted by GrimmyV

It's not exactly a paradox if you consider that some unknown person played the SoS for the windmill guy while Link was sleeping for 7 years.

But the windmill man describes the person who played the song as "a mean kid with an Ocarina", as where he first heard the song. There isn't any evidence of anoter person, and it's implied that the point of the sequence was somewhat about the paradox.

Originally Posted by alexross8

My theory is that it is an alternate universe that makes up for the temporal and spacial paradoxes and contradictions in Hyrule.

For example , the song of storms is taught to Link when he is an adult by the windmill guy , however , Link goes back in time and teaches it to the windmill guy.

So that paradox creates a problem . Who made the song of storms?

In Termina , it was Flat that originally composed the song.


Termina exists , only to fill in the cracks that Hyrule has.

That's not a paradox. A paradox would have been if child link had killed the guy in the windmill instead of teaching him the song of storms.

Well, I suppose that your theory is possible but choosing the "Song of Storms quest" as an example wasn't quite the right idea.
I agree with HeikkiV; a paradox is something that changes the future completely, Young Link teaching the song to the Windmill guy is just making up the past... I think.

But I think that Termina is just a magical place, such as Hyrule, that Nintendo made-up for the sequence of Majora's Mask.
I'd think the creators wouldn't go that far into having this whole explanation of what Termina is, but I do enjoy plausible theories.

But the song of storms was a paradox.

Adults link learns it from teh windmill guy.
The windmill guy is taught that song by young link.
Both links are controlled at the time , and the paradox is obviously there.


It's like from the movie timeline , where Paul Walker went back in time because his dad wrote him a letter from the past. After he went back in time , he was going to take the letter , but a girl told him not to , because he wouldn't be here if the note wasn't in that box.

It's a paradox , because the origins of the song are a paradox.

It just makes sense that Termina fixes the problems and leaks that Hyrule has.
Maybe the portal from Hyrule to Termina was a rip in space that tried to take away young link because he created so many temporal problems in the future.

The song is a paradox because no one ever composed it. Link teaches the windmill guy it only because the windmill guy taught Link it to Link in the future so Link can teach it to him in the past. It's a paradoxical origin. No one came up with it, it apparently just pops into existence due to time travel with no one having composed it.

Originally Posted by Rahonavis

But the windmill man describes the person who played the song as "a mean kid with an Ocarina", as where he first heard the song. There isn't any evidence of anoter person, and it's implied that the point of the sequence was somewhat about the paradox.

There's more than one ocarina in the game, and there's lots of kids. Who knows, it could have even been a skull kid.

Anyway, I think Termina has a greater destiny than just as a place to 'patch up' the temporal holes in Hyrule. Who's to say that Termina wasn't the original and Hyrule was the alternate copy?

If I remember right , you actually go back in time , yourself , and you actually play the song of storms to the windmill guy , and him acknowledging that you did so.

Grrrrrrrrr!
I'll never forget what happened on
that day, seven years ago!
Grrrrrrrrr!
It's all that Ocarina kid's fault!
Next time he comes around here,
I'm gonna mess him up!

What?! You've got an ocarina!!
What the heck!
That reminds me of that time,
seven years ago!
Back then a mean kid came here
and played a strange song. It
messed up this windmill!

7 Years earlier , Link plays the song of storms to him , and the well's water goes down , which also makes his whole place speed up , and he says that it's going way too fast.

Originally Posted by alexross8

If I remember right , you actually go back in time , yourself , and you actually play the song of storms to the windmill guy , and him acknowledging that you did so.



7 Years earlier , Link plays the song of storms to him , and the well's water goes down , which also makes his whole place speed up , and he says that it's going way too fast.

Yes I know, but what I'm saying is that 'before' Link travels back in time someone else had to have played the SoS so that the Windmill guy could teach it to Link, who then travels back and takes the place of the original mean ocarina kid. Otherwise there's a paradox and the SoS just pops out of nowhere in an endless loop of being taught but not being composed. It's a lot simpler that just saying somehow Termina fixes the paradox through some cosmic temporal connection. Besides, we already know Link altered the past relative to his future by planting magic beans to grow where they weren't before, so we know that there must have been someone in the past to originally play the SoS before either the windmill guy or Link learned it.

Not to be pedantic, but people here are misusing the word 'paradox'. A paradox refers to a contradiction, whereas the origin of the Song of Storms is circular, not contradictory.

A paradox is if you go back and kill your own parents before you were born. Because then, you weren't born, so you didn't go back and kill your parents, so they survived, so you were born, so you did go back and kill your parents, and on and on it goes. The contradiction is that your parents die if and only if they survive to give birth to you.

The Song of Storms is the exact opposite of that. Rather than time travel creating a self-defeating event, time travel reveals a self-creating event. The Song of Storms causes its own creation. A better term for that situation is "time loop", not "paradox".

Since the Song of Storms comes from nowhere within the timeline of Hyrule, it must come from outside the timeline of Hyrule, being essentially pre-ordained to have existed in that time loop. So, it was composed by "fate" or the goddesses or some other such transcendental origin.

There are different types of paradoxes when it comes to time travel. The Song of Storms fits the definition of an ontological paradox to a T.

An ontological paradox is a paradox of time travel that questions the existence and creation of information and objects that travel in time. It is very closely related to the predestination paradox and usually occurs at the same time. In simpler terms, an object is brought back in time, and it becomes the object that was initially brought back in time in the first place.

Ontological paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I stand corrected. Still, it is an odd usage, given the etymology of the word. "para-" meaning roughly "side by side", and "-dox" meaning "truth", related to words like "orthodox". So, the combination would be "two truths side by side".

If one world can exist what says another cant? I think Termina exists because Hyrule exists.