Oh Boy! Another Timeline!

Originally Posted by ZeldaTheoristb211

Now, why would the Sages need to search for the existence of the Master Sword, when clearly in TP, the Master Sword is very well known?

Maybe several hundred years after TP, the location of the Master Sword longer became common knowledge?

Originally Posted by ZeldaTheoristb211

Actually the SW specifically states that this was the first time Ganon had ever encountered the Triforce, so therefore ALTTP Ganon couldn't be a resurrected one.

I don't quite understand what you mean here. Are you saying that the Seal War was the first time Ganon had ever encountered the Triforce, or that aLttP was the first time. And how does this connect to him being resurrected or not?

Actually the SW specifically states that this was the first time Ganon had ever encountered the Triforce

This is false. The SW is when the SR is accessed for the first time.

Edit: Also of note, something has to be of knowledge before it can be searched for. In other words, I doubt the sages would have looked for the MS after TWW if they didn't know it existed.

Originally Posted by ApocolypticMuffin

Maybe several hundred years after TP, the location of the Master Sword longer became common knowledge?

I used to think that too, but when I read the Japanese manual to ALTTP, it's said they had to first search for the "existence" of the sword, instead of just having the sword lost like the NOA translated it to. Searching for something that no one thinks exists, and finding something that is lost, are two different things. For example, I heard rumors that there is a Master Timeline, but first, I had to search for the "existence" of the document before I can I can find it and read it. The "Lost" version would be, the Master Timeline is somewhere in Miyamoto's room, but I have to look for it first to read it.

Notice the difference, because that's exactly what NOA did with ALTTP, they sort of change and alter the backstory to ALTTP, they changed the speech from, noone thinks it exists, to something that is lost, and TWW shows a clear keypoint, as for why the Sages had to search for the existence of the Master Sword. Having the Master Sword abandon and underneath in the ocean and far from New Hyrule, plus, Tetra and Link could have passed down stories about the Master Sword and it's legends giving a clear indication of information about the Sword, but noone can find the existence of the sword due to the fact its still underwater and not in Hyrule.

Also note the appearance of the Master Sword in ALTTP.



Looks a little bit rusty, don't you think?

And Rust is normally caused by water, however it can be caused by mildew and other bacteria.

But the before and after sure explains a lot.



Considering this is how it looked before, and since SS is reveling the origins of the sword, and based by it's appearance in SS, it looks identical to the OOT version. Also note, SS takes place centuries before OOT, and even in TP, which takes place centuries after OOT, it's still looks the same. So why in ALTTP, the Master Sword not only gotten rusted but at the same time, had a color deterioration?

This is basically my reason for moving ALTTP to the AT, but it's just my theory, you don't have to agree with me if you want dude.

I don't quite understand what you mean here. Are you saying that the Seal War was the first time Ganon had ever encountered the Triforce, or that aLttP was the first time. And how does this connect to him being resurrected or not?

The SW was the first time, ALTTP Ganon encountered the Triforce, the SW Ganon and ALTTP Ganon are one the same.

Edit - The SW was the first time the SR was accessed, Ganondorf discovering the SR takes place long after.

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Originally Posted by Pinecove

This is false. The SW is when the SR is accessed for the first time.

Edit: Also of note, something has to be of knowledge before it can be searched for. In other words, I doubt the sages would have looked for the MS after TWW if they didn't know it existed.

Oh I see, that was my error, as for your second response, Link and Tetra could have told stories and tales about the Master Sword in New Hyrule. Which in turn would have to look for the "existence" of the sword and then find a worthy hero to use it.

Edit - The SW was the first time the SR was accessed, Ganondorf discovering the SR takes place long after.

You have this wrong too.
Ganondorf discovering the SR STARTS the seal war. He could only have discovered it for the first time on the CT assuming the divine prank really was a divine prank, or this could be taken out of context on the AT as in "first time in new Hyrule."

Oh I see, that was my error, as for your second response, Link and Tetra could have told stories and tales about the Master Sword in New Hyrule. Which in turn would have to look for the "existence" of the sword and then find a worthy hero to use it.

Nothing in ST implies they tell those kinds of stories.

@ The MS artwork from ALttP: In game the MS has a blue hilt. The art in ALttP isn't proof of anything.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

You have this wrong too.
Ganondorf discovering the SR STARTS the seal war. He could only have discovered it for the first time on the CT assuming the divine prank really was a divine prank, or this could be taken out of context on the AT as in "first time in new Hyrule."

I"ll get back to you on this matter.

Nothing in ST implies they tell those kinds of stories.

@ The MS artwork from ALttP: In game the MS has a blue hilt. The art in ALttP isn't proof of anything.

That's just my speculation, it's not actual facts that are said in game, especially in ST but it's based off information we currently know, and I'm just assuming it's more than likely they would tell tales of the Sword, and other legends they discovered from TWW, not keep it a secret.

As for your second response, Link has pink hair in game, but in the official art he's has blonde, does it mean he really has pink hair? No, so we have to go based by the official art.

As for your second response, Link has pink hair in game, but in the official art he's has blonde, does it mean he really has pink hair? No, so we have to go based by the official art.

There are at least 4 colour schemes for the MS in ALttP. So why do you get to deem which one is Canon?
We have one on the box.
One in the manual.
One in game.
And one in the official art.
One on the title screen.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

There are at least 4 colour schemes for the MS in ALttP. So why do you get to deem which one is Canon?
We have one on the box.
One in the manual.
One in game.
And one in the official art.
One on the title screen.

Pinecove, you've just answered your own question, but I can give you a answer, I choose the "official" art, because it more canon than the other's. Also note, as I previously stated, Link has Pink hair in game, but in the official art he's blonde.

Edit - To go into detail, it's official art portrays what the object or the person really looks like.

Edit - To go into detail, it's official art portrays what the object or the person really looks like.

So what, LoZ Link prays to Jesus as shown in LoZ's official art?

Originally Posted by Pinecove

So what, LoZ Link prays to Jesus as shown in LoZ's official art?

Dude that artwork is for A Link To The Past but in the
"Miscellaneous" section of the Official art, meaning that, Nintendo didn't make that artwork, other people who signed a contract for Nintendo, could have a created that artwork.
Therefore, technically, it can be consider the official artwork, only because Nintendo approves it. Same situation with the artwork for Ganon in ALTTP.



Here is the link where Pinecove got his picture.

Multimedia Gallery - Miscellaneous Nintendo Guide Art (ALttP)

Nintendo didn't created this picture of Ganon, but I forgot the author who drew this, and someone in ZU had brought this up one time and they told me, that Nintendo approved of this artwork to go on the official artwork. My point is, if the artwork wasn't "created" by Nintendo, instead of being licence by Nintendo, then it really shouldn't be a big deal. However, if the picture is in the official magazine, then that means it's created and designed by Nintendo.

The Master Sword picture I found is even on the ZU website, in a article, and on the Master Sword section for A Link To The Past on Zelda Wiki.

The Legendary Puzzle: A Linear History of the Master Sword » Articles - Zelda Universe

Master Sword - Zelda Wiki.org



I'm pretty sure, I've seen this picture of the Master Sword, in one of Nintendo official magazines; But I will try to find a link to the magazines.

Hate to bring this up, but don't forget the in-game sprite for the MS changes color based on the upgrades. I believe its hilt turns green and its body turns gold at the end if I remeber right. Not sure who will use this for the argument though.

Oh, and I LOL'd at the "Link prays to Jesus" thing. Never seen that before.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

@ The MS artwork from ALttP: In game the MS has a blue hilt. The art in ALttP isn't proof of anything.

Just a correction: The in-game ALttP Master Sword has a white hilt.
Swords of A Link to the Past - Zelda Wiki.org

Edit: The title screen sword has the same hilt as the artwork for the tempered sword and the boxart sword has the same colourscheme as the official MS art but a simpler design.

Edit 2: Just realised the menu icons aren't the same colour as the in-game sword sprites. God damn it Nintendo make up your mind.

Edit 3: The Master Sword as it appears in its pedestal in-game and on the title screen has the same blue hilt that is most like the Master Sword in the other games (the artwork for the tempered sword also has a blue hilt). I'm guessing that when they were designing the sword for OoT they choose to use the in-game pedestal/menu sprites as the base for it. Design in Zelda seems to be based on chinese whispers. When LoZ was made they tried to make Octoroks as much like the art as they could with the limitations they had, but as the games progressed and the graphical capabilities improved the new octoroks seemed to have been based on the old sprites rather than the official art which is madness!

@ZT: No, you're wrong. That art is found in the "miscellaneous" section OF THE WEBSITES ART. In the official player's guide it appears as official art while describing the events of LoZ.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

@ZT: No, you're wrong. That art is found in the "miscellaneous" section OF THE WEBSITES ART. In the official player's guide it appears as official art while describing the events of LoZ.

Oh, well then, I apologize, for that argument.