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Old 06-19-2010, 01:42 PM
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Ganonlord's curent timeline

My current timeline is mostly based off of a few developers' quotes and a few of my old ideas. Especially since the only Miyamoto order was confirmed to be wrong. Here it is:
......................AT....../TWW/PH-ST
TMC-FS-FSA-SS-OOT
......................CT......\MM-TP-ALTTP/LA-LOZ/AOL-OOX

SS's placement in regards to the FSS is in question at the moment, but to me, the rest of my timeline isn't. To me, TMC is definitely first for many reasons like the landscape, the ending, showing the origins of Zelda's powers, etc. I believe ALTTP is on the CT because of many hints in TP. That and it is old Hyrule, which was erased at the end of TWW.

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Old 06-19-2010, 02:39 PM
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Re: Ganonlord's curent timeline

Why are FS and FSA before the split? They should be on the AT.
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Old 06-19-2010, 02:40 PM
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I'd put SS before MC with FS and FSA on the AT.
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:17 PM
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Re: Ganonlord's curent timeline

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Why are FS and FSA before the split? They should be on the AT.
Any particular reason for that? Because from what it seems to me, he's citing Aonuma's confirmation that the FSS comes before OoT. And FS/FSA can just as easily come on the child timeline.
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Old 06-19-2010, 04:36 PM
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Why are FS and FSA before the split? They should be on the AT.
According to Aonuma, that isn't the case.

With that said... I don't have any problems with this theory, as of the moment. I have a feeling SS will make it unlikely, but that's for next year.
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Old 06-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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Re: Ganonlord's curent timeline

Why does OoX follow LoZ instead of ALttP?
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Old 06-19-2010, 05:05 PM
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Re: Ganonlord's curent timeline

Aonuma said that? Really?

Can anyone give me a quote? I've always placed it on the AT, because I presumed it took place in de-flooded Hyrule..
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Old 06-19-2010, 05:10 PM
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Aonuma said that? Really?

Can anyone give me a quote? I've always placed it on the AT, because I presumed it took place in de-flooded Hyrule..
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BB: That’s something that, you (Bill Trinen – Localization Team) and I have talked about with the release of the Zelda compilation disc, cleaning up some of the spellings like Ganon, and making sure everything is cohesive. Maybe that’s an American thing – us wanting to know how it all works together. I guess that leads me to my next questions. How do the Links in The Four Swords Adventure relate to the overall story line? Or is it just a subchapter or something like that?

EA: The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what we’re thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline. With this one on the GameCube being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that.
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This interview was also conducted after the release of FSA in Japan. To be fair, this is the only "big" timeline-oriented quote we don't have a Japanese equivalent for.
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Old 06-19-2010, 05:30 PM
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Wow. I didn't even know that existed.

*runs off to change entire timeline*
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Old 06-19-2010, 05:53 PM
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In regards to your developer quote...

What I want to know is WHY no one is considering TMC-First as nerfed as OoT-First intent. SS very existence before OoT puts into question developers stance on the timeline, irregardless of the distance in time from OoT's 1998 placement to TMC's then.
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Old 06-21-2010, 11:55 AM
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I'd put SS before MC with FS and FSA on the AT.
I am going by the developers' quote that jarsh mentioned. And I think that FS/FSA can go anywhere before ALTTP. They can't work on the AT because ST doesn't have a few races that appeared in FSA like the Gerudo, who were very important in FSA. That and FSA is in TMC's Hyrule.

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Why does OoX follow LoZ instead of ALttP?
I have considered both post LA and post LOZ. I am currently debating over which one, but I will place it after LA so LOZ/AOL can still be the last games on the CT.
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:01 PM
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To me, TMC is definitely first for many reasons like the landscape, the ending, showing the origins of Zelda's powers, etc.
This is the most detailed reason I've ever seen for the argument of putting The Mysterious Hat first. Thank you for that.

What exactly about the ending is so special?

What other reasons do you have?
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:13 PM
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Why does OoX follow LoZ instead of ALttP?
OoX can follow LoZ and Alttp because in both games both Ganons are dead and in both the Triforce is unified. So theres no problem with that
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:00 PM
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Re: Ganonlord's curent timeline

i don't hink SS will be able to take place after MC ad FSA because in both of these games you walk on top of the clouds and in MC you even see and talk to the people of the wind tribe that live on top of these clouds. while in SS skyloft and hyrule don't know of each others existence.
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:50 PM
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i don't hink SS will be able to take place after MC ad FSA because in both of these games you walk on top of the clouds and in MC you even see and talk to the people of the wind tribe that live on top of these clouds. while in SS skyloft and hyrule don't know of each others existence.
I don't see what walking on clouds and talking with people in clouds in MC and FSA have anything to do with where SS goes in the timeline.

However it has been stated that the Skyloftians were aware of the world below, and they didn't want to have anything to do with it.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:01 PM
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hm, i thought i read somewhere that the skyloftians didn't know of hyrules existence. don't feel like looking it up so whatever for now

but in MC they tell that the dead king had good relations with the wind people. i don't think you'll agree with me when i say i think the wind tribe and skyloftians will probably be related but i still think so. and if they are related it won't make sense for SS to take place after MC
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OoX can follow LoZ and Alttp because in both games both Ganons are dead and in both the Triforce is unified. So theres no problem with that
I just wanted to know why the theorist preferred one to the other
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but in MC they tell that the dead king had good relations with the wind people. i don't think you'll agree with me when i say i think the wind tribe and skyloftians will probably be related but i still think so. and if they are related it won't make sense for SS to take place after MC
It's likely, I'll give you that. But take other things into consideration: perhaps they were speaking of another wind tribe? Not necessarily the Skyloftians. Who knows, "the wind people" could have been some random people who lived in an area of Hyrule that was windy. You never know. SS will tell.
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It's likely, I'll give you that. But take other things into consideration: perhaps they were speaking of another wind tribe? Not necessarily the Skyloftians. Who knows, "the wind people" could have been some random people who lived in an area of Hyrule that was windy. You never know. SS will tell.
just windy? i don't think so. they live on top of the clouds. and you meet them when you're blown sky high after you've climbed to the top of a mountain.
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Old 06-22-2010, 12:47 PM
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This is the most detailed reason I've ever seen for the argument of putting The Mysterious Hat first. Thank you for that.

What exactly about the ending is so special?

What other reasons do you have?
The Japanese ending called it the first adventure of Link.

And regarding other reasons I have for placing it first,
1. The map of TMC. I usually don't like using geography for a timeline placement, but TMC is one of the exceptions. It's map is completly different from the rest of the games, and it has to become OOT's Hyrule because of FSA.
2. Aonuma's FS is first quote from 2004.
3. Various origins of many items in the game that we see in other games (i.e. Pegesus boots, the mirror sheild, Armos Statues, Zelda's power, etc.).
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hm, i thought i read somewhere that the skyloftians didn't know of hyrules existence. don't feel like looking it up so whatever for now

but in MC they tell that the dead king had good relations with the wind people. i don't think you'll agree with me when i say i think the wind tribe and skyloftians will probably be related but i still think so. and if they are related it won't make sense for SS to take place after MC
Possibly.

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I just wanted to know why the theorist preferred one to the other
I have already mentioned that where the oracles go is questionable, but I curerntly think that a post AOL placement is the best. It prevents it from getting in the way of the Nintendo games. They were made by Capcom, after all.
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