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Old 06-15-2010, 10:24 PM
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"Dekuroks" and the Timeline

The enemy that Miyamoto and Trinen call an octorok is SS's most important detail for theorizing so far. Watch from :56 to :58.



It's definitely a combination of an octorok and a Deku Scrub. It has shrubbery on its head like a deku scrub and tentacles like an octorok. It's mouth/shooter and yellow eyes are present in both octoroks and deku scrubs.





The initial assumption might be that octoroks evolved into deku scrubs. If we follow evolutionary theory assuming that they evolved in this way, they should go from water creatures to land creatures. In other words, they should go from water octoroks, to land octoroks, to the "dekuroks" of SS, and finally to deku scrubs. But if you try to construct a timeline based on this evolutionary progression, you run into two problems.

The first is that you can't make the chain of evolution work. OoT has water octoroks and deku scrubs, and that screws the whole thing over already. Other impossibilities of such an evolutionary progression will become clear to you if you attempt to construct a timeline based on said progression.

The second is that any timeline you somehow manage to come up with will make no sense at all.

Therefore, I propose that dekuroks are not an intermediate stage between octoroks and deku scrubs, but the ancestor of both. This concept is also in keeping with evolutionary theory. Basically, dekuroks evolve into two different species: water octoroks and deku scrubs. PH and ST have water octoroks and land octoroks, so apparently water octoroks evolve into land octoroks eventually. All of this would result in the following evolutionary progression...

-----------deku scrubs---------------------------------------------
----------/
dekuroks
----------\
-----------water octoroks----(become extinct)
---------------------------\
----------------------------land octoroks--------------------------

If we construct a timeline based on this progression, we end up with this.

SS--OoT--TWW/PH--ST--TMC--FS/FSA--LoZ/AoL--OoX/LA
-------\
--------MM--TP--ALttP

Initially, we have the dekuroks seen in SS. Then they evolve into octoroks and deku scrubs during the time between SS and OoT. By PH and ST, water octoroks have begun to evolve into land octoroks. Both water octoroks and land octoroks exist simultaneously. Land octoroks appear in TMC, FS, FSA, LoZ, AoL, and OoX. They also appear in LA, but LA is a dream. The same species of deku scrubs that existed in the time of OoT still exist in FSA. On the CT, water octoroks have evolved into land octoroks by the time ALttP occurs. It all works.

That timeline is supported by evidence from two of the most recent games. The location of the MS at the end of TP hints that ALttP is on the CT. ST's map hints that TMC, FS, FSA, LoZ, and AoL are on the AT.





Frozen Hyrule unfreezes at the end of FSA, so its absence in LoZ and AoL is explained. As for Ganon in LoZ, we know from FS that the FS's seal will fail given enough time, so Ganon could escape from the FS for LoZ. The seal the maidens placed on the FS at the end of FSA was probably just left over from FSA's beta when it was supposed to be after OoT, so it doesn't come into consideration.

So, my conclusions are as follows:

1. Dekuroks are the ancestor of deku sprouts and water octoroks; they evolved into those two species. Water octoroks evolved into land octoroks, as evidenced by PH and ST.

2. The timeline, based on this evolutionary progression and evidence from recent games, is...

SS--OoT--TWW/PH--ST--TMC--FS/FSA--LoZ/AoL--OoX/LA
-------\
--------MM--TP--ALttP
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:17 PM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

Assuming it's relevant at all. We also don't know if there are not normal scrubs/octoroks in SS as we only have a trailer.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:44 PM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

The feel closer to Land Octoroks than Water Octoroks.

So it would be more like:

-----------deku scrubs---------------------------------------------
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dekuroks
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-----------land octoroks-------------------------------------------
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---------------------------water octoroks--------------------------

Which follows if MC comes before OoT.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:45 PM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline



Super Zelda Galaxy?

Anyway, I understand what you're saying, but a direct TP-ALttP doesn't really work without a Seal War.
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:38 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

JESUS. CHRIST.

Is this the Spirit Tracks trailer background theories all over again?
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:10 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

^ Yep. Let's have some fun!

If this is indeed a prequel to OoT, which at this point is very possible from what little we know, then I'd be very interested to see if any other enemies appear in the gamne, like Moblins. We already got bokoblins, and I think they look similar to the moblins in OoT so you can theorize about that as well
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:12 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

Looks like a Deku Scrub to me.
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:35 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

Same, it just looks like an ordinary deky scrub to me. With afro-ish hair/leaves.
a whole theory just from 2 seconds footage is a bit too much imo
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Old 06-16-2010, 08:33 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

@the last two posters:
Stop the video at 0:58, you can clearly see 4 tentacle arms.

Anyway, the first thing I thought was "plant oktorok" is first, then it splits into two branches, dekuscrub and Oktorok.
The now confirmed pre OoT placement also makes more sense with that evolution. Or it might as well simply be an never seen creature that has always existed non the less)...like rabbits, cats and cows...they only show up in some game, but we can assume that they are around always).
Drawing any coclusions from this is way too early.
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Old 06-16-2010, 08:39 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

*facepalm*
oh my god you guys
it is just a land octorok with some turf on it's head
go watch the trailer again
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Old 06-16-2010, 08:50 AM
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

To me, it looks like they just can't decide on which one they want.

They want to bring back the classic octorok, but they also feel that the deku scrub would be more appropriate for the forest, so it appears that they combined the features the two, to get the best of both worlds.
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Re: "Dekuroks" and the Timeline

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I'd be very interested to see if any other enemies appear in the gamne, like Moblins. We already got bokoblins, and I think they look similar to the moblins in OoT so you can theorize about that as well
Are you talking about these guys?



They look pretty Moblin-ish to me. If they are, however, than SS's art style is something completely unseen before, even when compared to TWW.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:05 AM
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Are you talking about these guys?



They look pretty Moblin-ish to me. If they are, however, than SS's art style is something completely unseen before, even when compared to TWW.
Miyamoto and Trinen called them Bokoblins during the demonstration.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:10 AM
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Isn't it possible that for example if

water octoroks ---> Land ---> Deku

Then perhaps while there may be some Land octoroks and deku scrubs, there could be groups of water octoroks that for whatever reason didn't need to evolve yet?

If that is true, then the fact that two of these species may appear in the same game doesn't have to compromise the evolution theory.

Even so, they're just enemies. I doubt they would have much of an impact over the entire timeline. That isn't to say they couldn't be used as minor evidence, but still.
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Miyamoto and Trinen called them Bokoblins during the demonstration.
Oh did they? I must have completely missed that, my mistake.

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Even so, they're just enemies. I doubt they would have much of an impact over the entire timeline. That isn't to say they couldn't be used as minor evidence, but still.
There's that, and we have no way of knowing whether or not they'll even be in the final release at all. Similarly to how the Moblin was shown in the original TP trailer, before it was TP.
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you can clearly see 4 tentacle arms.
I don't cee any tentacles. All I cee is the underside of a Deku Scrub.
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I don't cee any tentacles. All I cee is the underside of a Deku Scrub.
Haha, look again. Especially consider how Japanese people represent octuopu like things in anime/pop culture:



It's very obviously a Octorok under a bush.
Heck Mijamoto even called the thing an "Oktoroku" loud and clear.
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:41 PM
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standard evolution goes from water to land, think of single cells and primordial soup
for whatever that's worth in the fantasy world of Hyrule...
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:30 PM
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I'm calling this one. They're the Deku Scrubs earlier form, they evolve limbs later.
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:55 PM
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They're the Deku Scrubs earlier form, they evolve limbs later.
Possibly. Definitely the dumbest thing I've heard regarding this.
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