"Dekuroks" and the Timeline

Originally Posted by Pinecove

^Yeah...not the comparisons I was talking about.

Hold on.

Oh? My mistake then, haha. Well, that at least covers everything I mentioned. I'm eager to see what I apparently left out.

Red lines = unexplored map in OoT. The theory is that the zoras moved for whatever reason and the old Zoras domain is still flowing through Kakariko gorge.



This one is slightly less convincing as I screwed up on a few things. The thing that lines up with windfall is supposed to be the hidden village. I should also have included Gerudo desert - Outset due to the 100 trail pit things.



And that's just for reference.

With regards to the TP - OoT comparison, I think we'd be better off rotating the OoT map as opposed to the TP map. Either way, it matches up fine. As for the TP - TWW comparison, I'm still no friend of rotating maps unnecessarily. TWW's map matches up fine enough with OoT's, I would just call it retcon rather than a map rotation.

As I said, these are just for fun.

^ But what's wrong if they're fun and work?

They can be work if you want.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

They can be work if you want.

Haha, I meant work as an adjective.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

Because the rotation is entirely unnecessary, and when not rotated, the ST map puts its large unnamed mountain in the northeast, a forest in the south, and a coast to the southeast. Sounds perfect to me.

The coasts hardly match up though, there's no wintry area, AoL shows that there are no islands, etc. It'd help if you could post a picture of the two maps though.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

The coasts hardly match up though, there's no wintry area, AoL shows that there are no islands, etc. It'd help if you could post a picture of the two maps though.

No map comparison is ever perfect, you have to keep that in mind. The wintry area and the coast may very well have just been affected by time. And what islands are you talking about, exactly?

Anyway, here's the comparison, although sloppy, just to give you a basic idea as to what I'm proposing:

I'm really just not seeing the ST-LoZ comparison. I mean, I see and understand what you're pointing out, but they're only very minor, stretched similarities that seem coincidental to me. There's too much that doesn't match up.

Just about every time two maps are supposed to have been the same place, they much up pretty well and it's pretty obvious. The LoZ map is clearly identifiable within the AoL map. The ALttP map lines up with the LoZ map. OoT's map lines up with both of them, especially ALttP's. FSA's map lines up with FS's and is almost exactly like ALttP's. TMC's map lines up with the maps of FS, FSA, and ALttP to some extent. The TP map can even line up with OoT's. The ST map and the LoZ map are just not as similar as the maps in these examples.

^ I've never seen a close connection between LoZ Hyrule and ALttP Hyrule much less LoZ Hyrule and OoT Hyrule. They're completely different.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

^ I've never seen a close connection between LoZ Hyrule and ALttP Hyrule much less LoZ Hyrule and OoT Hyrule. They're completely different.

Okay, OoT and LoZ aren't great, but ALttP and LoZ are shocking. Here's one for ALttP and LoZ...



And here's a quick one for all three...



A key thing to look for is the water flowing down from the northeast. TMC identifies it as "the source of the flow" and names it Veil Falls. This flow through Hyrule from the northeast is seen in the maps of LoZ, ALttP, OoT, FS, FSA, and TMC. In TP it's slightly different, coming from the north. But it isn't in ST at all. What does that tell you?

Originally Posted by Bingo675

No map comparison is ever perfect, you have to keep that in mind.

Yes, but this comparison is still particularly weak.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

The wintry area and the coast may very well have just been affected by time. And what islands are you talking about, exactly?

I kind of doubt that the entire year-round wintry weather would totally vanish just like that, and I don't think it's a good idea to argue such a drastic change to the coast either. The "circled" LoZ area that includes the coast largely consists of land with very little water, whereas the ST area shows just the opposite. ST also shows a number of islands that LoZ and AoL completely lack. Another issue is that water runs down from LoZ's mountain range while ST's mountain range has no water at all.

Thanks for posting pictures and "circling" key areas.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Another issue is that water runs down from LoZ's mountain range while ST's mountain range has no water at all.

Yes, and that same flow is seen in the maps of ALttP, OoT, FS, FSA, ALttP, and TMC. In TP it comes from the north. Its absense in ST's map should be revealing to us.

Alright, I'll admit defeat on the river point. You're all right in that it's completely absent in ST.

However, I disagree about the shore. I think that the fact alone that it's in that spot is enough. Like I said, no comparison is perfect (weak or not). Comparing the shapes of both maps to each other gives me reason to believe that there was intent behind it. The only real critical complications I see with it are the river and the snowy area. Other than that, I think it matches up pretty nicely. Maybe I'm crazy.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

However, I disagree about the shore. I think that the fact alone that it's in that spot is enough.

Again, LoZ hardly shows any water, whereas ST shows tons of water, the coast has distinct curves and angles, and there are numerous islands. At best the two maps just have some water in roughly the same corner. LoZ's map also shows an entire forest behind the shoreline that is entirely absent in ST.

Also, not only does the LoZ area you're comparing to ST's wintry region lack any sign of snow or cold weather, but the forests and grasslands to the right of the wintry region have no counterparts.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Again, LoZ hardly shows any water, whereas ST shows tons of water, the coast has distinct curves and angles, and there are numerous islands. At best the two maps just have some water in roughly the same corner.

Again. These comparisons are rough. The coast is in the same spot as it is in LoZ, just like when comparing, say, OoT to TP, DM is in roughly the same place, even if its geography isn't the same and the trail is completely different. I don't think it a stretch at all.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

LoZ's map also shows an entire forest behind the shoreline that is entirely absent in ST.

You're right with that.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Also, not only does the LoZ area you're comparing to ST's wintry region lack any sign of snow or cold weather, but the forests and grasslands to the right of the wintry region have no counterparts.

Again, you're right with this as well. I'll admit that the snow region is completely incomparable with the LoZ map.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

Again. These comparisons are rough.

Too rough. There literally isn't any comparison beyond "These two maps have at least some amount of water in roughly the same corner." The coasts don't even have the same shape or curves, and LoZ and AoL both fail to show even one of the islands displayed on the ST map.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

The coast is in the same spot as it is in LoZ, just like when comparing, say, OoT to TP, DM is in roughly the same place, even if its geography isn't the same and the trail is completely different.

However, Death Mountain has a specific name and is essentially involved in the storyline. The coasts, on the other hand, are just nameless coasts.

Speaking of Death Mountain, that's a name from Old Hyrule that specifically referred to the volcano seen in OoT, TP, etc. The old world, names and all, was ultimately forgotten in TWW. Thus, it's unlikely that ST's mountain would have the same name.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Too rough. There literally isn't any comparison beyond "these two maps have at least some amount of water in roughly the same corner". The coasts don't even have the same shape or curves, and LoZ and AoL both fail to show even one of the islands displayed on the ST map.

I disagree; mountain in the northeast that wasn't given a name (yet), forest in the south, coast in the southeast, body of water in the middle. Heck, I could even argue that DM's name came from the fact that Ganon made it his hideout during (or before, really) LoZ.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

However, Death Mountain has a specific name and is essentially involved in the storyline. The coasts, on the other hand, are just nameless coasts.

I was simply using it as an example of canon geography that doesn't make much sense to begin with. Regardless, I think there's plenty of reason to believe the two maps are related.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Speaking of Death Mountain, that's a name from Old Hyrule that specifically referred to the volcano seen in OoT, TP, etc. The old world, names and all, was ultimately forgotten in TWW. Thus, it's unlikely that ST's mountain would have the same name.

See my first response. ^

I dunno how far this thread has gotten, but it's just an octorok hiding underneath a bush.

Octoroks have been doing that in handheld games like The Minish Cap forever. They hide under the bush and spring out when Link gets near. Sometimes you can uncover them from the bush and kill them before they attack you. I'm actually surprised it took Nintendo so long to translate that to console games.

It's not some weird hybrid creature. Just an octorok with a bush on its head for camouflage.