Zora to Rito, Evolution.

As stated WW Rito (Bird people) are somehow the decendents of Zoras (Fish people) but how can this be so? Well as we all know, WW is based in a great sea, and as displayed in MM Zoras cannot swim too far away from land (as Zora you cannot swim too far out to sea). So therefore to continue to excist in the world of WW they would need to adpot a new way of life.

So now with the reason in hand, the method still remains. I propose that since Valoo can give a wingless Rito wings with the use of his scales, maybe enough of his scales per Zora would turn them part Bird.

First off, you can't swim too far away because the game has a built-in barrier and also because the seas are murky (pre-dungeon).
I believe the scales are magical so just one would suffice. The Zora fins are just transformed to wings.

Originally Posted by Pakkun

First off, you can't swim too far away because the game has a built-in barrier and also because the seas are murky (pre-dungeon).
I believe the scales are magical so just one would suffice. The Zora fins are just transformed to wings.

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Even after the dungeon, Zora link cannot swim far out so there is no other logical reason except for that Zoras cannot swim far from land

This puzzles me to... why evolve when the ammount of sea water increases? did they evolve naturaly or magicly? If they evolved magicly, was it the gods?
If you look at where their home was in OoT ( at the top of zora river). after the flood the closest peice of land was the remains of death mountain... so why couldnt they jjust settle there?

Originally Posted by Din_is_red

If you look at where their home was in OoT ( at the top of zora river). after the flood the closest peice of land was the remains of death mountain... so why couldnt they jjust settle there?

They did settle on Death Mountain, Dragon Roost Island is the closest thing to Death Mountain in WW if you really stop to think about it. The geography and relationship to the Forest Haven (Kokri Forest/Lost Woods), works too. There is a well known theory that Valoo is a decended form Volvagia, if the likely idea that Dragon Roost Island is Death Mountain. Then the relationship of the fire dragons is even more obvious.

It's simple why they did it if you think about it. The only Zoras that were saltwater Zoras were in Majora's Mask/Termina. The Zoras of OoT were freshwater, they could not survive in the saltwater, therefore they needed to evolve. I don't have the quote, but there is no fish in WW's ocean, the main source of food for the Zora was fish. There are many reasons for them to evolve.

They did settle on Death Mountain, Dragon Roost Island is the closest thing to Death Mountain in WW if you really stop to think about it.

im sorry, i thought i emplied that in my post, guess not. What i meant was that why didnt thet settle there as Zoras.

It's simple why they did it if you think about it. The only Zoras that were saltwater Zoras were in Majora's Mask/Termina. The Zoras of OoT were freshwater, they could not survive in the saltwater, therefore they needed to evolve.

Thats the first thing i thought of, and i guess theres nothiong against it exept that zoras from both MM and OoA live by the sea (but those are both other lands).

Food seems to be the most likeley awnser though. thanks

The Zora's in OoA and MM lived off the coast of continents, not in the middle of the ocean. The Great Sea isn't suitable for them. And that's not taking into account all the monsters that sprang up.

TP hints that a Zora's skin will dry out if it stays too long at death mtn

It could be that as Zoras they feared the more violent creatures that reside in the ocean. It's far more unpredictable with sharks, octo's, whirlpools, peahats, and lastly a giant tornado making windgod thats ticked off at them for breaking his monument. The sea would not be kind for Zora's. The sky's have only other bird's to worry about,

Zoras can live on land, but not if it's too hot and dry. Living in a tropical island in the hot sun certainly wouldn't good for the Zoras. Sure they can swim, but they can't spend too much time there either because it's salt water. So, if I was a Zora and found a magic dragon that could transform me into something that didn't have those problems, I'd do it. At least it's not some sort of real evolutionary process, because that wouldn't make sense. But I suppose magic is enough to explain the drastic change.

My view: When Hyrule was flooded, the goddesses did not want the Zoras to be able to swim down and discover the frozen-in-time Hyrule, so they sent Valoo to be the Zoras' patron deity. Valoo gave each Zora a scale, which had some sort of genetic effect that altered the Zora's DNA ever so slighty. Generations later, the Zoras appear much more like bird-people, than fish-people. I find this much more believable than simple evolution, as such a change would take millions of years, presumably.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

My view: When Hyrule was flooded, the goddesses did not want the Zoras to be able to swim down and discover the frozen-in-time Hyrule, so they sent Valoo to be the Zoras' patron deity. Valoo gave each Zora a scale, which had some sort of genetic effect that altered the Zora's DNA ever so slighty. Generations later, the Zoras appear much more like bird-people, than fish-people. I find this much more believable than simple evolution, as such a change would take millions of years, presumably.

I like this theory. It has science and magic.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

My view: When Hyrule was flooded, the goddesses did not want the Zoras to be able to swim down and discover the frozen-in-time Hyrule, so they sent Valoo to be the Zoras' patron deity. Valoo gave each Zora a scale, which had some sort of genetic effect that altered the Zora's DNA ever so slighty. Generations later, the Zoras appear much more like bird-people, than fish-people. I find this much more believable than simple evolution, as such a change would take millions of years, presumably.

Why do you think th gods sent valoo if you dont mind me asking?
I always assumed that ( even though this is unconfirmed) that Volvagia layed an egg which hached baring Valoo within Death Mountain...... But the scale and DNA part i like

^ I agree with that. I've always though Valoo was a decedent of Volvagia.

That being said I agree with the rest of what Bingo is saying.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

My view: When Hyrule was flooded, the goddesses did not want the Zoras to be able to swim down and discover the frozen-in-time Hyrule, so they sent Valoo to be the Zoras' patron deity. Valoo gave each Zora a scale, which had some sort of genetic effect that altered the Zora's DNA ever so slighty. Generations later, the Zoras appear much more like bird-people, than fish-people. I find this much more believable than simple evolution, as such a change would take millions of years, presumably.

makes a lot more sense then other theories, especially the whole "the goddesses did not want the Zoras to be able to swim down and discover the frozen-in-time Hyrule" thing. one thing though, shouldn't the man-fish (WW) be able to find Hyrule then?

Originally Posted by FDL

makes a lot more sense then other theories, especially the whole "the goddesses did not want the Zoras to be able to swim down and discover the frozen-in-time Hyrule" thing. one thing though, shouldn't the man-fish (WW) be able to find Hyrule then?

Maybe men-fish breathe air (he's is a MAN-fish, and he spends quite a lot of time jumping out of the water). Also, water pressure. If he tried, he might just end up crushed by the weight of the water.

Originally Posted by Din_is_red

Why do you think th gods sent valoo if you dont mind me asking?
I always assumed that ( even though this is unconfirmed) that Volvagia layed an egg which hached baring Valoo within Death Mountain...... But the scale and DNA part i like

Except Volvagia is killed off in the AT where TWW is on.

The 'frozen-in-time Hyrule' is protected from a barrier, so it's not like the supposed Zoras could enter it upon discovery (even if they can, they risk a big fall). So due to the barrier with no sea floor to survive on, they need to resort to land.

Originally Posted by Erikson

Except Volvagia is killed off in the AT where TWW is on.

The 'frozen-in-time Hyrule' is protected from a barrier, so it's not like the supposed Zoras could enter it upon discovery (even if they can, they risk a big fall). So due to the barrier with no sea floor to survive on, they need to resort to land.

Um you can still produce offspring before you die? And that being said most mythologies agree that dragons, live a LONG time, hundreds to thousands of years.
I think Valoo and Volvagia are related, most theorist do.

Originally Posted by Jxcrust

Um you can still produce offspring before you die? And that being said most mythologies agree that dragons, live a LONG time, hundreds to thousands of years.
I think Valoo and Volvagia are related, most theorist do.

^This. If Valoo is related to Volvagia, he obviously must have been born during the period between when he was awakened by Ganondorf, and before Link killed him. I could accept them being related, I have no problem with that. The only reason I included the goddess bit was to give an understanding that there was a 'plan' in mind. Perhaps the goddesses destroyed whatever other 'eggs' Volvagia may have laid, and had Valoo grow under their teachings, making him a patron deity, as opposed to an 'ancient beast,' as Volvagia was.

Originally Posted by STUFF2o

Maybe men-fish breathe air (he's is a MAN-fish, and he spends quite a lot of time jumping out of the water). Also, water pressure. If he tried, he might just end up crushed by the weight of the water.

I think it's highly likely that he's a mammal. He does have a nose.

The only reason I included the goddess bit was to give an understanding that there was a 'plan' in mind. Perhaps the goddesses destroyed whatever other 'eggs' Volvagia may have laid, and had Valoo grow under their teachings, making him a patron deity, as opposed to an 'ancient beast,' as Volvagia was.

That makes more sense... That Volvagia's child raised to aid the zoras when they where in need...