Nintendo could've had the perfect timeline

If we all recall went OoT & MM came out, there are only 5-6 games.
If we new about the split then and Oot is in fact the sealing war, The time line makes perfect sense.
/alttp-LA
OoT
\MM-AolBS-Loz-Aol

here we have a near perfect timeline.

In fact, we can even place the FS games with fairly certainty
/alttp-LA-OoX-FS/FSA
MC- OoT
\Aol-Loz

This is nearly flawless.

The only real issue is a trident issue with Alttp, but we can just say that's where it was created, leading into FS. and the Aol towns, which is also explainable in other ways

Then what happens? Windwaker.

Windwaker pretty much makes the timeline incredibly confusing and complicated.

so WHY NINTENDO? why create such a game that confuses the timeline?

Once WW was made, the decided to make TP destroying the loz-aol possiblities on the child timeline.

once again, WHYYYYY ruin it more???

(nothing against TP or WW i really like both of thoose games)

But seriouly, looking at this, disregaurding WW, TP, and PH and ST,the timeline has no serious flaws. Please note these are all the newest games,

Now taking this time i constructed, and compare it to The known official timeline
/WW-PH-(?)-ST-?-?-....
??-OoT
\mm-tp-?-?-...

now, to say that game developers have been working on combining the time line in recent years just doesn't add up. I have created a nearly perfect time line without this games that have "connected the time line."

Not really sure how WW messes up a split. IF anything, it only reinforces it.

FSA, however, screws up a perfectly good timeline. A Second Ganondorf turning into Ganon?
This is supposed to be his orgin story, yet it happens in OoT. FSA was a screw up.

I'd like to know how FS/FSA coming after LttP is "perfect," since most of the places carried over from LttP to FSA were "more intact" in FSA than in LttP, where they were mostly in ruin.

In fact, I'd also like to know how LttP being the direct sequel to OoT fixes anything as well, since Ganon somehow magically has the entire Triforce in LttP even though he still had to search for Wisdom and Courage and take them from Zelda and Link in OoT.

The Miyamoto Timeline (OoT-LoZ/AoL-LttP) seems to have only been reinforced by the most recent games. In order to show that Ganon has left the Dark World and the Triforce been reunited and used by a king (the two prerequisites that need to be fulfilled for LoZ to take place after OoT), TWW has him break out of the seal and has Daphnes swoop down on the Triforce and make his wish. In order to show the return of Ganon after his deaths in TWW/LoZ, FSA introduces a new Ganondorf who takes the trident and becomes the King of Darkness, and is then sealed by the maidens in a seal that looks awfully familiar... (these all being obvious prequel material for LttP, where he owns the trident, has the title of "King of Darkness," and is sealed away).

If anything, these more recent games have made sense of the gaps between the games in Miyamoto's timeline by supplying the missing elements. That ST shows us a new Hyrule, one of the complications not fully resolved by TWW, we know that Nintendo is taking meaningful steps to patch up the holes introduced by the games' often conflicting stories.

So, to recap, I think the more recent games have filled the following gaps in Miyamoto's timeline:

Oot-LoZ/AoL-LttP

TWW fits between OoT and LoZ and fixes the problem of Ganon being in the Dark World and the Triforce being divided among the chosen wielders.

FSA fits between AoL and LttP and fixes the problem of Ganon being dead while offering him the trident, his traditional title in LttP, and sealing him away for LttP.

ST fits between TWW and LoZ and adds a new Hyrule to replace the flooded one, removing that complication from the timeline forever.

TP could possibly show Master Sword continuity with LttP, but it's difficult to say since it shows just as much discontinuity with FSA due to the Mirror of Twilight, a strong link to that game, being "utterly destroyed" in the ending.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

Not really sure how WW messes up a split. IF anything, it only reinforces it.

FSA, however, screws up a perfectly good timeline. A Second Ganondorf turning into Ganon?
This is supposed to be his orgin story, yet it happens in OoT. FSA was a screw up.

FSA only ruins a timeline if you put it after ALTTP, the origin story of Pig Ganon was originally meant for OOT, but that was before Aonuma took over and changed a bunch of things, now FSA has become the origin of Pig Ganon.

Originally Posted by Megamannt125

FSA only ruins a timeline if you put it after ALTTP, the origin story of Pig Ganon was originally meant for OOT, but that was before Aonuma took over and changed a bunch of things, now FSA has become the origin of Pig Ganon.

Meaning that either FSA Ganondorf is Ganon I of OoT is Ganon I.

In the event of FSA->OoT, that's a screw up.

there is no way FSA by itself is the sealing war, it was intended, but abandoned. Anything left from this is just a result of that.

And geography is a pretty minimul concern

And i said ASSUMING oot was the sealing war, as in if they made OoT the sealing war,
then going to alttp makes the most sense. And it would be logical to say that when zelda/ link died, their triforce pieces went back to the SR. In Alttp the pieces aren't together when you do get the triforce. Once gain IF WW didn't exist.

FSA makes sense where it is because ganondorf - which is so far the only name we have for a gerudo king, so i'm going with th idea that its just a fairly common name. The trident COMES from Alttp/ OoX then that leads into FS/FSA and a guy named ganondorf happens to get it.
Then he becomes ganon, due to the trident.

I'm not saying it holds water now or anything, I'm just saying that if the split was aknowledged before, this timeline makes alot of sense. And it doesn't have any MAJOR holes.

No. Ocarina of Time was the game that ruined the timeline. It was intended to tell A Link to the Past's backstory, but it didn't resemble that at all. Luckily, Wind Waker saved the timeline by retconning the idea of OOT being ALTTP's prequel.

Originally Posted by Meeps

Luckily, Wind Waker saved the timeline by retconning the idea of OOT being ALTTP's prequel.

Stop stating opinions as fact.

As for OoT 'not resembling (ALttP's backstory) at all' it's called artistic license and retcon.

Stating TWW retconned OoT as the SW, but saying it isn't possible that OoT retconned ALttP's backstory (especially when it was changed in the GBA version to better reflect it) is ignorant.

Originally Posted by Meeps

No. Ocarina of Time was the game that ruined the timeline. It was intended to tell A Link to the Past's backstory, but it didn't resemble that at all. Luckily, Wind Waker saved the timeline by retconning the idea of OOT being ALTTP's prequel.

How so? If anything, it only expanded the continuity to fit more games on.
The only real mystery is aLttP.

You know, people are quick to blame OoT or FSA for messing up the timeline, but aLttP is the source for all wonkiness in the Zelda universes.

1. TP was designed to resemble it.
2. The Zora, Goron, Kokiri, and Gerudo are no longer alive. The only races about in Hyrule are Humans, Faeries, Deku, and monsters. If you even count those. Hylians seem to be gone, but Link is alive. It's very contradictory here.
3. Triforce pieces jst appearingfrom nowhere into Ganon's hands. Because off screen action solves everything.
4. Hyrule redesign causing geographical conflicts multiple times over.

If any Zelda game screwed up, it's aLttP.

/alttp-LA-OoX-FS/FSA
MC- OoT
\Aol-Loz

Bull****.

Before FSA was released when it was only LoZ AoL ALttP LA OoT MM and OoX the timeline was:

OoT/MM-LoZ/aoL-OoS/OoA-ALttP/LA

Before FSA as the SW was scrapped the timeline was going to be:

/TWW
OoT
\MM-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA-LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA

Honestly sometimes I wonder what the quality of theorizing is coming to: FSA was obviously meant to come before not after ALttP, the original order at one time had LoZ/AoL before ALttP etc etc.

Hell your "official timeline" is the timeline arc known as fact around here, and saying that you've figured out the perfect timeline and posting a bunch of well known poorly typed **** is NOT the way to do things around here.

^ I entirely agree with Piney there.

first of all, calm down dude.

Bull****.

Before FSA was released when it was only LoZ AoL ALttP LA OoT MM and OoX the timeline was:

OoT/MM-LoZ/aoL-OoS/OoA-ALttP/LA

Before FSA as the SW was scrapped the timeline was going to be:

/TWW
OoT
\MM-FS/FSA-ALttP/LA-LoZ/AoL-OoS/OoA

It's just as logical to have FSA after Alttp. The connection is obviously broken between the two. FSA is not the sealing war, face it. Also, as long as a FSS game is before Alttp, the Temple of the FS is explainable, and that's assuming it's canon. I have doubts because it seems more like an extra add on for Nintendo to get more sales than a real dungeon.

Also, that official time line you mention has very serious holes. Where did Loz ganon come from? That's a pretty important little detail. I hardly said the timeline i proposed was official, but that it made sense. Other than mayyybe FSA, this timeline doesn't have any MAJOR flaws.

Hell your "official timeline" is the timeline arc known as fact around here, and saying that you've figured out the perfect timeline and posting a bunch of well known poorly typed **** is NOT the way to do things around here.

I don't understand your point here. Of course the official arc is known as fact around here. That was the point. I was comparing it to the old time line i made. And sorry if the lead post was misleading, but you really missed the point of this thread. It was more about how WW was responsible for messing up a potentially clean and clear time line than anything else.

With regards to TWW messing up a 'potentially clean and clear timeline', that's your opinion.

It's just as logical to have FSA after Alttp. The connection is obviously broken between the two. FSA is not the sealing war, face it.

I know FSA isn't the seal war. That idea (if it ever was an idea) was scrapped during it's final stages of development because Miyamotto thought the story would be too confusing for players.

However even though the SW connection was lost, if FSA takes place on the same timeline as ALttP it HAS to come before it because of basic continuity reasons such as:

FSA: You chase a gang of theives from Kakariko village to the lost woods. Their hideout was Kakariko.
ALttP The same gang of theives "used to live in Kakariko village" but now live in the lost woods.

AlttP-FSA makes no sense.

all of those could be left over connections from when FSA was the sealing war.

plus Alttp provides an origin for the trident. which is otherwise unexplained.

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

plus Alttp provides an origin for the trident. which is otherwise unexplained.

How?

well in alttp, the trident is unexplained, but the trident doesn't do anything to effect ganon, And we see the trident again in OoX, so at least it seems probable that the trident in Oox is the trident that a guy named ganondorf finds it, and that's what caused him to turn into ganon. It seems, at least to me anyway, that the ganon's demon spirit got trapped in the trident probably in Oox leading into FSA. Otherwise the trident is completely unexplained. Admitted, part of this is me sticking to the idea that the demon antagonist ganon has always been the same one.

all of those could be left over connections from when FSA was the sealing war.

Then why not place FSA and ALttP on different timelines?

well in alttp, the trident is unexplained, but the trident doesn't do anything to effect ganon, And we see the trident again in OoX, so at least it seems probable that the trident in Oox is the trident that a guy named ganondorf finds it, and that's what caused him to turn into ganon. It seems, at least to me anyway, that the ganon's demon spirit got trapped in the trident probably in Oox leading into FSA. Otherwise the trident is completely unexplained. Admitted, part of this is me sticking to the idea that the demon antagonist ganon has always been the same one.

...that makes no sense.

FSA explains the origin of the Trident and why anyone who touches it becomes a "Yami no maou". Why this trident would originate in ALttP of all places you need to provide evidance for.

FSA explains the origin of the Trident and why anyone who touches it becomes a "Yami no maou". Why this trident would originate in ALttP of all places you need to provide evidance for.

Because in FSA it transforms him into ganon. It has to get this power from somewhere, and having it be from a past ganon, such as alttp ganon, makes sense. In Alttp its nothing special at all, it's just his weapon, but in FSA it has transformative properties. Otherwise the trident just appears for no reason.

Then why not place FSA and ALttP on different timelines?

because then the trident has no explaination

theres 3timelines