ZDR's Controversy

So, over the years of the zelda series, Nintendo messed up.

God, it's like they're just trying to start something.

Seriously though, it's just way too fishy. What I've noticed over the years has interested me.

Let's start with the original Zelda, shall we?

What definitely stood out to me was level 3.

And what I automatically noticed is, the dungeon is a left-facing swastika.



I thought, "really?" I looked into this more on the internet. And discovered that apparently in hinduism it is holy. facing to the right the swastika means evolution of the universe, left representing the involution of the universe. Still, Nintendo messed up. BAD.

There's more, anybody play Zelda II? A handful of you have, but I'm sure we know the infamous wizzrobe, the weird cloaked wizard guy.



Anybody who has seen it can recognize it. This wizzrobe looks identical to a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Really Nintendo? Really?

And then comes OoT. Oh boy, firstly could've caused nuclear warfare between them and the muslims. Grr, it annoys me. The crescent and the star is what I'm talking about, it's on the old mirror shield and was the old gerudo emblem design.



Japan would've become a pile of rubbish if Nintendo kept this in later versions of the game.

Again in OoT, there was another thing offending muslims. In versions 1.0, and 1.1 (1.2?) in the Fire Temple, there was chanting. This wasn't that big of a deal. Until one part of the song you could clearly hear them chant, "allah!"

They also messed up with the early commercial for the game, heh, I actually found it funny.

If anybody has actually seen the preview for the game, it goes something like,

"Whilst thou swim? Or whilst thou suck. Whilst thou soar? Or whilst thou fall."

Something along the lines of that, I haven't seen the trailer in a while. At one slide in the earlier version, it goes like,

"Whils thou save the girl? Or whilst thou fight like one."

In hindsight, Nintendo really should've thought before they did what they did. They managed to avoid terrorist attacks, people thinking they were joined with the KKK, and women's rights clubs. Apparently Nintendo is so rich they can do whatever they want.

Heh.

Yeah. I forgot about the KKK part even though I noticed it before. Everything else is relatively old. I'm sure there's more stuff if you look deeper though.

Actually the 'swastika' is a manji- a Japanese family symbol. In this usage.

Yeah, apparently it's used for alot of other things.

And there probably is much more stuff.

Nintendo did mess up.

The swastika is a symbol of sun hope and rebirth from the mesoamercians, Its a great irony of history the symbol of good will be forever linked with evil.

And surely the point is the 'KKK member' is an evil bad guy who must be destroyed?

Right on Nintendo.

Indeed. I can't really think of any major controversies that actually involved the world. I'm sure there are more.

I can get the swastika, but the KKK thing is just way too fishy.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

What definitely stood out to me was level 3.

And what I automatically noticed is, the dungeon is a left-facing swastika.

Except that's not a swastika; it's a manji.

There's more, anybody play Zelda II? A handful of you have, but I'm sure we know the infamous wizzrobe, the weird cloaked wizard guy.



Anybody who has seen it can recognize it. This wizzrobe looks identical to a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Really Nintendo? Really?

Nintendo is a Japanese company; the Japanese depiction of demons long predated the KKK.

The crescent and the star is what I'm talking about, it's on the old mirror shield and was the old gerudo emblem design.

The Gerudo were in large part modeled after the Arabic desert peoples, even if this was combined with less favorable images of the Amazons and they were thieves.

and the crescent and star was originally a Byzantine symbol, was it not?

Again in OoT, there was another thing offending muslims. In versions 1.0, and 1.1 (1.2?) in the Fire Temple, there was chanting. This wasn't that big of a deal. Until one part of the song you could clearly hear them chant, "allah!"

It's a beautiful chant.

"Whils thou save the girl? Or whilst thou fight like one."

It's called a cliche.

Yeah, I knew it was the manji. I just didn't want to get it into some huge argument type thing.

And they may have put the swastika/manji and what looks like a member of a KKK, but atleast they didn't put what's worse than the swastika.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

And they may have put the swastika/manji and what looks like a member of a KKK, but atleast they didn't put what's worse than the swastika.

New York is worse than the swastika?

Sorry, I don't even know what that symbol means. I see an "N" and a "Y", so it must mean "New York".

He was being Facetious.

Interesting fact: Facetious has all the vowels in order.

Subcontinental has them in reverse.

Originally Posted by River Zora

He was being Facetious.

So it does mean New York?

Interesting fact: Facetious has all the vowels in order.

Subcontinental has them in reverse.

That is pure awesomeness compressed into two sentences.

^It's the NY Yankee's logo.

I think these things all of reaons behind them which have been explained. I can't see any company (including disney) putting such opffensive stuff in thier products on purpose.

I'm quite certain that these symbols weren't put into the games to offend people. They're just designs. I think people shouldn't be so sinsative to this stuff. There's a point in time where you just need to let things go. Unless said person is TRYING to be offensive, just chill out.

I personally like the design of the mirror shield and the music from the fire temple. I wish they hadn't changed it. They were much better than what they had been changed to. And I STILL can't hear 'Allah' in there. (And for some reason I didn't put KKK with that wizzrobe. That may be due to me being tired...)

Incase you haven't seen a member of the KKK before, the wizzrobe looks identical.

And Artemicion, I just have a question, is that the communism symbol in your rank? Just curious.

I suppose they did not do it intentionally, but again I'll say, the wizzrobe is way to similar to a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Seriously, compare them.

Originally Posted by Mattocks

^It's the NY Yankee's logo.

I think these things all of reaons behind them which have been explained. I can't see any company (including disney) putting such opffensive stuff in thier products on purpose.

I'm pretty sure Disney does that stuff OBSESSIVELY. If you look up Disney sublimal messages on YouTube, you'll see some blatantly offensive and profane stuff in classic movies.
Example: In Little Mermaid, when they got married, the priest got a boner.

Originally Posted by STUFF2o

I'm pretty sure Disney does that stuff OBSESSIVELY. If you look up Disney sublimal messages on YouTube, you'll see some blatantly offensive and profane stuff in classic movies.
Example: In Little Mermaid, when they got married, the priest got a boner.

Is that what it was? I thout it was something simlar. But a lot of the stuff I really don't see (liek the "sex" from the Lion King).

People shouldn't make such a fuss out of a fictional video game fairy tale.

Who cares what's in it? How does a video game affect the socio-political world?
It doesn't. People with too much time on their hands, (and politicians with clean
noses) brought Nintendo the hurt. They just couldn't leave it well enough alone.

The world has gotten too small. You can't display the symbol of your own country
or religion without everyone threatening you for threatening their beliefs.
Our generation(s) need to grow up and RELAX.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Incase you haven't seen a member of the KKK before, the wizzrobe looks identical.

I suppose they did not do it intentionally, but again I'll say, the wizzrobe is way to similar to a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Seriously, compare them.

Oh, no. I totally see it now. (I'm from Indiana. I know about the KKK... ) I just didn't see it at first. Tired brain is slow. I'll admit. That is pushing it a little bit. What with the cross and everything. But this is not the first game that's did something that looked like someone from the KKK. The Happy Happyists from Earthbound looked like blue KKK members. In the Japanese version of the game I think they even had "HH" written on the forehead area of their little blue hoods.

...did I just reference Earthbound in a Zelda Forum? Wow. I usually do the opposite.