Is Linebeck Hylian or Human?

I display Sicilian features. Olive skin, very dark hair and eyes. But there's lots of me that's not, and a very small part of me is in any way Italian- it just skipped loads of generations and I got it all. I am British.

Displaying Hylian features=/=Hylian

Nationality is not the same as race

Native Americans that have gone through many years of breeding with White Settlers. They now are only 10% or something Native, to the point at which the features stop showing. Also past the cultural barrier which determines them Native and they are now 'White Americans'. Later the genes pool into one skipped generation who takes after his great x 50 grandfather- is he Native American because he has their features? No.

And I am not talking about the 'nationality' part of being Italian or British, I'm talking the race part- the genetic part that means I get the nice olivey tanning skin whilst not having to learn a different language/put up with bad dubbing for American films

That would be ethnic background, Race is distinctly diffrent, The Hylians just as humans seem to have there own ethnicities.

Race and ethnicity are one and the same. Often people will group ethnicities into wider races, but the principles within them are identical. 'Ethnic background' is cultural, 'race' tends to be more biological and based on features.

If an Englishman makes a joke about the Irish, the French, etc. then it will be racist- stereotyping or finding humour at a race, despite all being white.

Beyond this, the human races in Zelda are called 'tribes' in most places implying even closer relations than our 'races'.

In relation to what? Hylians have never been refrenced as a tribe, or any relation to humans in any way at all, quite the opposite with the refrences to the Hylians being far older then the other races, explained in my previous post on humanoids, Its just a similar set up to human and elves on Tolken, They look similar but are, two very diffrent races.

And if a human and an elf interbreed is the offspring an elf or a human? Or is it a mixed that will never be pure again whether it takes after its mummy or daddy? What if this happens a million times with half-breed after half-breed until eventually one's born with pointy ears again through genetic probability. Is that one a pure blood elf cause of ears?

Answer is no to me.

The above is quite right, but they are originally two very seperate races although with the half breeds, if they married a human, and there offspring did too, The Hylian genes may be dormant and ever present (after all they can skip whole generations) after a certain time they would cease to be passed on, I wouldn't say they could never be human though, though we may be overthinking this.

Of course we're overthinking this! We're debating on the genetics of a fictional universe in a series of videogames!

Overthinking FTW!

This is the kind of thread that has NO RELEVANCE to what the directors were thinking!

No relevence, but more fun. Its a better thread then most with respectful sharing of ideas and calm good natured challanges to the ideas rather then hostile trolling.

Overthinking FTW!

Originally Posted by River Zora

I display Sicilian features. Olive skin, very dark hair and eyes. But there's lots of me that's not, and a very small part of me is in any way Italian- it just skipped loads of generations and I got it all. I am British.

Displaying Hylian features=/=Hylian

Sicilians are humans, just as British are. If Hylians and Humans are two different species I don't know if they can interbreed. I guess they can because they are both humanoid in appearance. But comparing two nationalities with two species is not a good comparison. I for example have a mother who is originally from North Africa but my father is Norwegian. I have lived in Norway all my life and I don't speak my mother's language. I consider myself 100% Norwegian (when it comes to culture). But my mother and my father are not of from different species.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Of course we're overthinking this! We're debating on the genetics of a fictional universe in a series of videogames!

Overthinking FTW!

This is the kind of thread that has NO RELEVANCE to what the directors were thinking!

Even though it has no relevance it is fun to discuss this topic. Who knows it has no relevance to what the directors were thinking? Most authors have many papers of background stories (which could often fill many books), that the readers NEVER get to know. I am sure game creators and movie makers also have some background info. I often philosophized about what happened in Strangetown many years before, even if was just a game (The Sims 2). I think it is nearly impossible to make something as fancyful as a game without making up background stories and background info. So much the makers are missing! Even if games are made only to make money it sometimes seems like some games have too much depht to not have some unanswered riddles.

So, do you think the thread should be closed?

But they are all humans, just not Humans and Hylians. Difference in capital and little H.

Like many Black people I know would capitalise the colour of skin, but lower case the pigment.

Originally Posted by River Zora

But they are all humans, just not Humans and Hylians. Difference in capital and little H.

Like many Black people I know would capitalise the colour of skin, but lower case the pigment.

I don't know if Hylians are considered Homo Sapiens or if they are another species. In Star Wars there are many humanoid species that are not considered humans. Black people are humans, Asian people are humans, Latino people are humans but I have never thought about Hylians as an ethnic group of Humans. It doesn't mean that Hylians are not people or persons.

I reckon they're just another type of human- pointiness of ears is the equivelant of colour skin.

They're called human in tMC and TP for example...

Hylians are a species, there classed as humanoid as stated before human in TP was with a small meaning its a term not a name, there humanoids, not Human.

I disagree. I think they are human. tMC calls then this and TP- two of the most recent games making it clear. Non human races calling them 'human' not 'humanoid'.

humanoid takes up to much space in a text box with a character limit, and is also harder to add into fluent conversation, the Hylians predate humans, there is simply no relation between them.

Originally Posted by River Zora

I disagree. I think they are human. tMC calls then this and TP- two of the most recent games making it clear. Non human races calling them 'human' not 'humanoid'.

I think human is used the same way as "person" in the game. Hylians are thinking, intelligent creatures. I think that's why human is used. Human with a big H is used for the species. That's what I believe. But it doesn't really matter. It is just a game. But I started this thread to discuss Linebeck's species.....

But species are by definition used as a small s. Biologically, linguistically. Human would refer to race and human species by logic. By the Black versus black thing, or in terms of species human versus Human.

Originally Posted by River Zora

But species are by definition used as a small s. Biologically, linguistically. Human would refer to race and human species by logic. By the Black versus black thing, or in terms of species human versus Human.

human (with small h) is used for "persons" and Human (with big H) is for the Human species (homo sapiens). That's my impression. I see Hylians as a humanoid species.