The Seal War's timeline placement is... there???

I'll catch up on this thread in a bit...

...but I wanted to add this thought:

Originally Posted by GBA ALttP

Long ago, in Hyrule, a beautiful
kingdom surrounded by forests
and mountains...
legends told of an omnipotent
and omniscient Golden Power
that lay hidden.

I said before that I think the "legends" told before the Seal War include the one passed down
to OoT Zelda after the Temple of Time was built (the legend that reveals the ToT is the entrance
to the SR) but I've said this before...

It was hidden in a sacred
realm beyond the reach of men

This is what I wanted to discuss. When the goddesses left the Triforce behind,
they wanted someone worthy to find it. The entrance needed to be
discovered, but it would have been accessible once it was found.

I believe that "beyond the reach of men" refers to when the SR entrance was
locked away by the Temple of Time and Spiritual Stones.

It was left for man, but when the danger was realized, mankind hid the Triforce by
putting it back in the Sacred Realm. When the SR entrance was locked shut by the
Temple of Time, the SR became a place "beyond the reach of men".

At first whoever found the SR could just walk in. The Temple of Time's purpose was
to keep the Triforce safely out of man's reach. Of course it eventually got entered anyways.

No matter where you place the Seal War "beyond the reach of men" is not a permanent state of affairs.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

I believe that "beyond the reach of men" refers to when the SR entrance was
locked away by the Temple of Time and Spiritual Stones.

I agree...

but this exactly is why I believe OoT is the IW.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

I agree...

but this exactly is why I believe OoT is the IW.

I don't understand what you mean at all.

Look at this quote:

Originally Posted by Japanese ALttP manual translation

Many reports began to surface; lying beneath the relics of the desert, inside the graves of the race of people in the high mountains, but no one ever found it.

Longing soon became greed, and it was not uncommon for blood to be spilt for certain information.

The more carefree people had to live days of disquiet.

That is, until one day, completely by chance, the entrance to the Sacred Realm was opened by by a certain group of thieves.

The rumors in this quote are circulating before the Seal War.
This is also shown by the order of events in GBA ALttP:

Originally Posted by GBA ALttP

Long ago, in Hyrule, a beautiful
kingdom surrounded by forests
and mountains...
legends told of an omnipotent
and omniscient Golden Power
that lay hidden.
It was hidden in a sacred
realm beyond the reach of men,
but one day...
...a doorway to that realm
was suddenly opened...
Hoping to claim the Golden
Power as their own, the people
began to quarrel and fight...


Many sought to enter the
hidden Golden Land...
But none returned, and instead
evil power began to issue
forth from the dark portal...
So the king commanded seven
sages to seal the gate to
the land of the Golden Power.
Many brave knights were lost
in the battle to protect the
sages from the tides of evil,
but the seal was cast!

- I believe these rumors are spoken long after OoT when knowledge of the SR entrance is lost.
- You believe these rumors are spoken before OoT, since you think OoT is the Seal War.

Here is the catch.
The rumors circulate before the Sacred Realm is opened.
What does this mean?
Take another look at this quote:

Many reports began to surface; lying beneath the relics of the desert, inside the graves of the race of people in the high mountains, but no one ever found it.

You take the phrase "but no one ever found it" to mean that the Triforce has been
resting in the Sacred Realm since creation. This is central to your theory that OoT
is the Seal War...

BUT HOW CAN THAT BE? HOW CAN THE TEMPLE OF TIME EXIST BEFORE OOT AND
NO ONE EVER FOUND THE SACRED REALM????

The Temple of Time proves that the SR was discovered and sealed before OoT.
But ALttP says that no one ever found the Sacred Realm until Ganondorf and his
thieves happened to opened a portal to it.

And you claim that ALttP refers to OoT Ganondorf!

The only way that the line "but no one ever found it " makes any sense is if it
means that no one ever found it since a point in time after OoT.

The Sacred Realm was found before OoT and this knowledge is still known
when OoT Ganondorf arrives on the scene. It was essential that the SR was
discovered before the Temple of Time was built.

"...but no one ever found it...until...the Sacred Realm was opened by a certain group of thieves..."
makes no sense if this is OoT Ganondorf because the SR was found before OoT
Ganondorf chanced to enter it. This is proven by the Temple of Time.

It is completely contradictory to your theory to accept the last quote I posted in bold,
since you take the 'no one ever found it' quote to mean 'since creation'.

We know for certain the SR was found before the thieves found it, so we know for certain
that 'no one ever found it' does NOT mean 'since creation'.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

The rumors in this quote are circulating before the Seal War.

- I believe these rumors are spoken long after OoT when knowledge of the SR entrance is lost.
- You believe these rumors are spoken before OoT, since you think OoT is the Seal War.

I believe this because TP confirmed it.

It's never been confirmed that rumors about the Sacred Realm circulated at any time between OoT and Ganon's rediscovery of the Sacred Realm in LttP.

You take the phrase "but no one ever found it" to mean that the Triforce has been resting in the Sacred Realm since creation. This is central to your theory that OoT is the Seal War...

BUT HOW CAN THAT BE? HOW CAN THE TEMPLE OF TIME EXIST BEFORE OOT AND NO ONE EVER FOUND THE SACRED REALM????

The people who were searching for the Sacred Realm never found it because it was hidden in the Temple of Time.

The quote doesn't apply to the people who built the Temple of Time because they didn't have to "find" it - as you said, they already knew where it was!

The "no one" clearly refers to the people who were searching for it, not "no one, ever."

"but no one ever found it...until...the Sacred Realm was opened by a certain group of thieves..."
- ALttP manual translation

Originally Posted by Cukeman

We know for certain the SR was found before the thieves found it, so we know for certain
that 'no one ever found it' does NOT mean 'since creation'.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

The "no one" clearly refers to the people who were searching for it, not "no one, ever."

THANK YOU!

That proves my point. If the manual is canon in a literal sense, then the Ganondorf
in ALttP is not the one in OoT. It says no one ever found the SR until the thieves
opened it.

I have another question for you. The manual says the wars over the SR entrance
were started as a result of the thieves opening the Sacred Realm, hence Ganon
as the source of the evil the Sages sealed inside the SR.

There was no war of the races over the SR entrance between the time OoT
Ganondorf chanced to enter the SR and the time the OoT Sages sealed him.

How do you get around this? No tribal war = no ALttP BS if you ask me.

Also, how can the seal in ALttP be the one cast by the OoT Sages, since Ganondorf
broke that seal causing Hyrule to be tucked away under the Great Sea?:

Originally Posted by OoT Ganondorf

Someday...
When this seal is broken....

Originally Posted by OoT Ganondorf

Someday...
When this seal is broken....

How did he know it would be broken when the Sages supposedly didn't?

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

How did he know it would be broken when the Sages supposedly didn't?

He knows his history? Seriously, the Hylians keep casting temporary seals...
I guess they have to to hold the villain off until a Hero appears, but...