MC,FS FSA /WW connection

I'm hardly saying its an Alttp specific problem, but WW just screams a random ganon appearance, we never actually see ganon in that game, and hes just in stone, whats to stop him from say transforming into ganon and breaking out? It's slightly fan-ficcy, but if your going to have an unexplained ganon appearence, that's definately the place to put it.

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

whats to stop him from say transforming into ganon and breaking out?

The fact that he doesn't have the Triforce of Power.

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

I'm hardly saying its an Alttp specific problem, but WW just screams a random ganon appearance, we never actually see ganon in that game, and hes just in stone, whats to stop him from say transforming into ganon and breaking out? It's slightly fan-ficcy, but if your going to have an unexplained ganon appearence, that's definately the place to put it.

nah. In FSA, he's a blue pig. In LttP, he's a blue pig. He dies. In LoZ, he's a blue pig. In AoL, he's dead. In OoX, he comes back as a blue pig. Wait, comes back? Maybe that happened before... What could have lit the flames of Sorrow, etc, from OoX in a LoZ scenario? The destruction of LttP's Hyrule? It seems evident.

Just my take on the matter.

The fact that he doesn't have the Triforce of Power.

FSA ganon doesn't have the ToP

What could have lit the flames of Sorrow, etc, from OoX in a LoZ scenario? The destruction of LttP's Hyrule? It seems evident.

that may explain the LoZ appearence, bu then you still have no explaination for an AlttP apearence

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

that may explain the LoZ appearence, but then you still have no explaination for an AlttP apearence

FSA

FSA

But then you still have the trident. Seriously were the heck does that stupid thing come from

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

But then you still have the trident. Seriously were the heck does that stupid thing come from

Ancient times. Whatever happened in the SW, most likely.

EDIT: we have 2 games that show possible origins of the Trident: OoX and FSA. IF OoX is the origin, Ganon appears out of nowhere. If FSA is the origin, the Trident was just some antique a new Ganon found. I prefer the latter.

we have 2 games that show possible origins of the Trident: OoX and FSA. IF OoX is the origin, Ganon appears out of nowhere. If FSA is the origin, the Trident was just some antique a new Ganon found. I prefer the latter.

It could also be a corrupted version of the MS that was in ganondorf's head. (wow i really like that idea for some reason)

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

It could also be a corrupted version of the MS that was in ganondorf's head. (wow i really like that idea for some reason)

Evidence? also, LttP.

Evidence? also, LttP.

not really except tridents are associated with water, and its considered the anti-master sword
i just thought it was a cool idea

and Zwii would theoretically be about the creation of a new MS, leading into AlttP, but thats complete and utter fanfic.

I have another idea of how it was just found in the sacred realm in the Alttp BS, assuming Alttp was pre FSA but thats nto really topical, esspecially since it involves a combo or WW and OoT events being the complete SW

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

not really except tridents are associated with water

Poseidon kill you dead!!!

However, thanks to the Catholic Church, we know see that Tridents are associated with demons and devils (alluding to the idea that Ganon was a demon back in ALttP). These worldly myths are what formulated much of the early Zelda games until a ton of Japanese bull**** began interfering with western legend (TP, anyone?).

It's considered the anti-master sword

You consider it the Anti-Master Sword. The rest of us will consider it...not as such. It sure doesn't do so much to stop the Master Sword.

I just thought it was a cool idea.

Know what's a cooler idea? The fact that Phantom Ganon from OoT has the Trident as well. Does this mean that the Trident has been passed down from since before OoT? Would this...gasp!...place FSA before OoT?



Seriously though...I think OoT Ganon with two Tridents, one in each hand, is more badass than your idea. That execution sword that almost killed Ganondorf in TP is more of an anti-Master Sword than the Trident is. All the Trident manages to do is give its wielder pig-like qualities when being held (Phantom Ganon being the exception, of course).

Zwii would theoretically be about the creation of a new MS, leading into AlttP, but thats complete and utter fanfic.

Leading directly into ALttP? A bit of a stretch to say that the MS is created and then ALttP happens...

But I think that ZWii possibly being about the creation of the MS is NOT fanfic, but is a pretty good theory based on evidence of what we see in the official art and what Miyamoto says in his interview. I won't go into all that, but don't call an already-acknowledged theory a fanfic when it really isn't.

I have another idea of how it was just found in the sacred realm in the Alttp BS, assuming Alttp was pre FSA but thats nto really topical, esspecially since it involves a combo or WW and OoT events being the complete SW

WW being part of the SW? Pray tell what your theory is.

WW being part of the SW? Pray tell what your theory is.

well in OoT ganondorf goes into the SR but only with the ToP, can't really be the complete sealing war, however, the sages seal is put there, and ganondorf is sealed

In WW it specifically says ganondorf BYPASSED the seal. the seal was never broken. Theoretically, Ganondorf seperated himself from ganon, seeing as we never see him in that game, and stayed in the sacred realm. In the End of WW, the triforce goes away, persumably back to the SR, where ganon finds it, leading into Alttp.

What represents the seal in WW? If it is the Master Sword, then the seal would've been opened
by WW Link, right? I mean to say that the seal would remain open after the WW ends, wouldn't it?

Okay, I have a serious question for the people on this board who believe ALTTP/OoX takes place on the adult timeline.

How does the Master Sword end up in the Lost Woods in ALTTP if it was buried beneath the Great Sea at the end of WW, especially since TP provides the Master Sword in the Lost Woods, leading perfectly into ALTTP? Also, ALTTP has all kinds of Hylian relics, all of which disappear at the end of WW. So it seems pretty clear from all of this that ALTTP can only take place in old Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Link92

Okay, I have a serious question for the people on this board who believe ALTTP/OoX takes place on the adult timeline.

OoX being on the AT resulted from people thinking tMC occurred post-WW due to geography issues or some crap like that. Because tMC had the Oracles in it, and their figurines labled them as descendents of the OoX Oracles (thanks for ****ing with our minds with cameos, Capcom), people automatically placed OoX on the AT due to thier theory that tMC came on the AT as well, all of this post-WW.

How does the Master Sword end up in the Lost Woods in ALTTP if it was buried beneath the Great Sea at the end of WW, especially since TP provides the Master Sword in the Lost Woods, leading perfectly into ALTTP? Also, ALTTP has all kinds of Hylian relics, all of which disappear at the end of WW. So it seems pretty clear from all of this that ALTTP can only take place in old Hyrule.

ALttP AT placement just suggest with a crap ton of speculation that it was placed in "New Hyrule"'s Lost Woods at some point. Yeah...it's bull****, I know.

Also...WW has NOTHING to do with the SW. That Ganondorf we see is not a reflection of another Ganondorf still hanging out in SR where he was sealed in OoT. The game says he escaped his imprisonment, so I'm going to take that statement at face value, especially since we see the Red-haired Gerudo in the flesh.

The only thing about the Sage's original seal was that what was holding his powers at bay. The Master Sword was the final lock on this seal, and Link broke it when he pulled the sword from the basement of Hyrule Castle. No one but Ganon realized that would happen. The result? Ganon at full power, bent on recovering the Triforces to reclaim Hyrule as his own.

Also...WW has NOTHING to do with the SW. That Ganondorf we see is not a reflection of another Ganondorf still hanging out in SR where he was sealed in OoT. The game says he escaped his imprisonment, so I'm going to take that statement at face value, especially since we see the Red-haired Gerudo in the flesh.

Exactly we see the red haired gerudo in the flesh. However, we never see the blue pig man like we do in every other game ganondorf is in.

The Master Sword was the final lock on this seal, and Link broke it when he pulled the sword from the basement of Hyrule Castle. No one but Ganon realized that would happen. The result? Ganon at full power, bent on recovering the Triforces to reclaim Hyrule as his own.

first of all there is no indication that the master sword is part of the seal, all the MS does is push ganon into the sacred realm, where the sages seal then closes. Secound, the seal on the master Sword in WW refers to the flood and underwater hyrule not the SR.

OoX being on the AT resulted from people thinking tMC occurred post-WW due to geography issues or some crap like that.

actually its more due to the fact that there is no MS on the adult timeline, or that the MS is put to rest forever. Either way, it works

Also, ALTTP has all kinds of Hylian relics, all of which disappear at the end of WW. So it seems pretty clear from all of this that ALTTP can only take place in old Hyrule.

what about links shield in WW, that was a relic, its easy to say that lots of other relics would have survived. or its just an unflooded hyrule, but i admittedly don't like that as much.

What represents the seal in WW? If it is the Master Sword, then the seal would've been opened
by WW Link, right? I mean to say that the seal would remain open after the WW ends, wouldn't it
?

Nothing represents the seal in OoT other than the swirly vortex thing, why would it be any different in WW?

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

what about links shield in WW, that was a relic, its easy to say that lots of other relics would have survived. or its just an unflooded hyrule, but i admittedly don't like that as much.

True, but I was referring to post-WW. The Hero's Shield from WW was said to have been used by a past hero, right? (correct me if I'm wrong,) and OoT Link never used such a shield. Then again, MC was made 2 years later, so the evidence is shaky, unless the Hero's Shield was also used in FS.

Then again, MC was made 2 years later, so the evidence is shaky, unless the Hero's Shield was also used in FS.

nope it wasn't that in FS. I have always assumed they just use the same shield because they were lazy. The game has essential a wind waker art style, its just in 2D

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

Exactly we see the red haired gerudo in the flesh. However, we never see the blue pig man like we do in every other game ganondorf is in.

Cut the crap. Saying that Ganondorf and Ganon are two seperate people is like saying the same thing about Zelda and Sheik. We don't see blue pig Ganon because Ganondorf decides he's not going to change into him. However, he pays homage to his beasty side by making a giant puppet for Link to do battle with.

Besides...what's the point of pointing out that blue pig Ganon isn't in WW? To say that he's still in the SR, right? Like I said, take it at face value that Ganondorf escaped the Seal of the Sages. How? I think it was becuase...well... they all died. Even the ones praying at the Wind and Earth Temple were dead. Loss of sagely power means the seal would probably weaken. Makes sense to me. I don't know why you're still arguing the fact.

first of all there is no indication that the master sword is part of the seal, all the MS does is push ganon into the sacred realm, where the sages seal then closes. Secound, the seal on the master Sword in WW refers to the flood and underwater hyrule not the SR.

The seal of the Master Sword is on Ganon's power. Ganondorf tells Link this personally, as I recall.

actually its more due to the fact that there is no MS on the adult timeline, or that the MS is put to rest forever. Either way, it works

Yeah, that's a part of it too. I still believe tMC comes first though. Seems like you do too...or am I mistaken?

Nothing represents the seal in OoT other than the swirly vortex thing, why would it be any different in WW?

You mean the creation of the seal? Semantics =/= Nintendo's strong point. Just go with the flow.

Yeah, that's a part of it too. I still believe tMC comes first though. Seems like you do too...or am I mistaken?

i was but now i'm pretty undecided b/c it occured to me that the force gems in PH may or may not matter because of the whole its a dream thing, and it was kinda vaguely termina-ish. I could go either way really. At the same time though i find it hard to believe that the FS surived the flood, and similarily, there is no reason for the FS to be used if the master sword is there which it would be on the CT.

Wait I just had a decent idea of how MC could be first.

it would essentially all be on the CT then, and go MC-OoT-FS/FSA TP- ZWii?-Alttp
in FS/FSA the master sword isn't used because its still sealed in the temple of time protecting the SR. Ganon from the FSA would have been the same one from OoT and broken out of the FS (explaining the temple) and executed to the TR. but then you have no real ganon explaination for Alttp. unless Alttp stays on the AT i guess. The only problem is that there is the FSA trident issue. Where did it go?