Do you think ST will have any good timeline information in it?

Ok then. King Daltus looks identical to King Daphnes. You think they're the same?

The Princess, I've little doubt, is Zelda. But we have no confirmation of this as of yet.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Ok then. King Daltus looks identical to King Daphnes. You think they're the same?

The Princess, I've little doubt, is Zelda. But we have no confirmation of this as of yet.

Well maybe we've no confirmation because it's self-evident. It's Zelda, regardless of how you look at it.

Daltus and Daphnes are hardly as important as Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf, so recycling their (the Kings) appearance is no big deal. Especially seeing as their appearances are rare to begin with.

What I think is odd is that Link is a postman in this game and is sporting the red with white bunny cap that the postmen of Majora's Mask, Minish Cap, and Twilight Princess all wear. When there is no symbol similar on the AT.
.....Unless of course you think tMC comes before OoT, but somehow I doubt that the symbol made it through Ganon's overtaking (we never see it in OoT), The Great Flood, and PH's Link and Zelda travels searching for a new land, and then 100 years later made a comeback.

Something I noted while watching the trailer the tall tower that we see on the PAL box art appears to be right next to the Castle in this game.

River Zora, Erimgard:

Anyway I'm fairly positive this game will have a lot of relevant information on the AT side of the timeline.

Originally Posted by Navi the Fairy

(we never see it in OoT)

It's on the guy that you race with to the Lost Woods.

I cannot seem to find it anywhere on the running man. Picture or certain area to look for it at?

On his chest, on the right side, on his straps.

The symbol's on the right (his left) side of the yellow band around his chest.

EDIT: Ninja-d by Beemnorv once more!

Isn't that postman's hat in the Nintendo Gallery of TWW?

No, it isn't. There are only the Bunny Hood, All Night, Goron and Keaton masks.

Anyway, if a bunny is the international symbol of the postmans, is irrelevant.

Due to the lately interest of Aonuma in the timeline, i'm sure of ST filling some holes, but as always, it will bring more questions.

Originally Posted by Meeps

Personally, I hope that it utterly destroys the notion of a "New Hyrule", which I've always found to be an insult to Wind Waker's ending.

Wasn't TWW's ending the introduction of the idea?

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Wasn't TWW's ending the introduction of the idea?

Daphnes shot down the idea immediately after Tetra brought it up.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Daphnes shot down the idea immediately after Tetra brought it up.

If you consider "that land will not be Hyrule" to be a narrow, absolute statement, not a self-centered, relative one. Also, if you consider the new land being Hyrule as in conflict with Daphnes's wish, I could surely also argue that Daphnes "shooting down" any ambition of theirs as equally contradictory.

Personally, I haven't known Nintendo to ever give their stories such closed endings, and Miyamoto seems to swear by the fact.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

If you consider "that land will not be Hyrule" to be a narrow, absolute statement, not a self-centered, relative one.

I sincerely doubt that Daphnes would want the kids to practically recreate the place he had just personally erased from existence five minutes ago.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Also, if you consider the new land being Hyrule as in conflict with Daphnes's wish, I could surely also argue that Daphnes "shooting down" any ambition of theirs as equally contradictory.

Daphnes personally wished for Hyrule to be obliterated and called it the "land of the past" in the Japanese version, making Hyrule and its destruction symbolic to boot.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

I sincerely doubt that Daphnes would want the kids to practically recreate the place he had just personally erased from existence five minutes ago.

Stop creating straw men. That Tetra said they would look for "the land that will be the next Hyrule" already certifies that it won't be the same place.

Daphnes personally wished for Hyrule to be obliterated and called it the "land of the past" in the Japanese version, making Hyrule and its destruction symbolic to boot.

A new Hyrule would be a land of the future, not a "land of the past." He was obsessed with the land of the past; no "next Hyrule" could be his Hyrule, which is why he refuses Tetra's request by saying that the new land will be "your land."

Originally Posted by Artemicion

That Tetra said they would look for "the land that will be the next Hyrule" already certifies that it won't be the same place.

By saying that she'll find a place that will be the next Hyrule, Tetra's basically stating that she'll try to recreate it somewhere else. Daphnes then immediately shoots her idea down with "that land will not be Hyrule."

Originally Posted by Artemicion

A new Hyrule would be a land of the future, not a "land of the past."

If a new Hyrule would be a "land of the future", why do you and others on this site place the NES and SNES games on the Adult Timeline when they are very much related to the "land of the past"? Heck, for what it's worth, ALttP's map even looks like OoT's map when rotated 45 degrees clockwise.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

He was obsessed with the land of the past;

Seeing as how Daphnes personally wished for Hyrule to be utterly annihilated, he apparently moved on in the ending.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

no "next Hyrule" could be his Hyrule, which is why he refuses Tetra's request by saying that the new land will be "your land."

But if "their land" is practically a carbon-copy of "his" land, it kind of defeats the point.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

By saying that she'll find a place that will be the next Hyrule, Tetra's basically stating that she'll try to recreate it somewhere else. Daphnes then immediately shoots her idea down with "that land will not be Hyrule."

Of course it won't be Hyrule; it'll be "the next Hyrule."

And since Tetra asked him to come with them, this distinction more than likely represents only Daphnes's response to the invitation, not some overarching "you can't call it Hyrule" mentality.

If a new Hyrule would be a "land of the future", why do you and others on this site place the NES and SNES games on the Adult Timeline when they are very much related to the "land of the past"? Heck, for what it's worth, ALttP's map even looks like OoT's map when rotated 45 degrees clockwise.

First of all, it's because I don't think TWW's story fundamentally changed much about the existing games. OoT still represented the sealing of the Sacred Realm told in ALttP, and the stories of the other games still followed from that fundamental first story. TWW introduced a new story, but it didn't really meddle with any of the previous stories in the process (as OoT did with ALttP's original story).

Second of all, what was OoT's map supposed to look like when only two games took place in that region?

Seeing as how Daphnes personally wished for Hyrule to be utterly annihilated, he apparently moved on in the ending.

He also wished for himself to be annihilated with it.

The interesting distinction is that he wanted to end himself along with Hyrule; he wasn't willing to move on and live in the new world, or to be part of a "next Hyrule."

But if "their land" is practically a carbon-copy of "his" land, it kind of defeats the point.

Straw man.

No it won't, and it'll just contradict everything because Miyamoto-sama has not the brain for deep stories. But let us just wait and see what will be told.

^
Miyamoto didn't write the story for TWW or most of the Zelda games, I believe. He did apparently write the story for the original LoZ, though.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Of course it won't be Hyrule; it'll be "the next Hyrule."

"next Hyrule" would essentially just be a rebuilt Hyrule in a different location. Tetra even says as much in the Japanese text.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

And since Tetra asked him to come with them, this distinction more than likely represents only Daphnes's response to the invitation, not some overarching "you can't call it Hyrule" mentality.

Putting aside Daphnes moving on and the symbolism behind Hyrule's destruction for a second, Tetra's entire "New Hyrule" idea appears to have been specifically aimed at Daphnes to prevent him from killing himself in the ending. It's made more apparent in the Japanese text, and Tetra's "we must return to our ocean" statement before the Ganondorf fight arguably implies that she preferred the Great Sea.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

TWW introduced a new story, but it didn't really meddle with any of the previous stories in the process (as OoT did with ALttP's original story).

I don't see how TWW didn't meddle with the stories. TWW effectively destroyed Hyrule and made it forgotten, and all of the evidence in the game points to Hyrule and the Great Sea acknowledging and respecting the Hero of Time, contrasting with ALttP's "no hero or Master Sword" Imprisoning War.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

He also wished for himself to be annihilated with it.

His time had also passed. The fact that Daphnes willingly obliterated Hyrule shows that, in the end, he let go of his obsession.

Originally Posted by Artemicion

Straw man.

I'm not trying to make a straw man. If the kids somehow recreate the culture of old Hyrule and "New Hyrule" bears a disturbing resemblance to old Hyrule (if ALttP comes on the AT), "Old Hyrule" might as well have been brought back.

Anyway, we've had this discussion plenty of times before, so it'd be best to end it now.

Regarding Spirit Tracks, I don't think that we should be making any timeline guesses at the moment, seeing as how we don't know the plot.