Dark World / Imprisoning War questions

Some of this is found in the A Link to the Past Manual.

In A Link to the Past, we are told that during the ~*Imprisoning Wars*~, Ganondorf and his tribe enters the Sacred Realm/Golden Land, touches the Triforce, makes a wish - "Ganon's wish was to conquer the world. That wish changed the Golden Land to the Dark World" - , and it becomes the Dark World.

My question is:

When were the Imprisoning Wars?

Are they the Dark Interlopers and the Child part of OoT?

What do you think?

Originally Posted by Ursula

Some of this is found in the A Link to the Past Manual.

In A Link to the Past, we are told that during the ~*Imprisoning Wars*~, Ganondorf and his tribe enters the Sacred Realm/Golden Land, touches the Triforce, makes a wish - "Ganon's wish was to conquer the world. That wish changed the Golden Land to the Dark World" - , and it becomes the Dark World.

My question is:

When were the Imprisoning Wars?

Are they the Dark Interlopers and the Child part of OoT?

What do you think?

Originally, OoT was the Imprisoning War, and FSA was developed as the new, obvious IW story (evey aspect was covered specifically) but Miyamoto ordered the story changed to remove all of those elements. TP's Interloper legend is close enough to question it. I personally believe the Interloper conflict is at least a part of the current IW.

The TPBS is the bloodshed part of the SW that's confirmed by bill Trinen. The rest of the SW could be OoT, FSA a mixture of both, or something else entirely.

Nowadays, it's really up to your personal interpretation. Like Slagr said, OoT was originally supposed to be the IW, But then TWW came along and F***ed up that idea.

It seems to me the Imprisoning War is just a backstory event that comes before A Link to the Past. Ocarina of Time being the Imprisoning War was retconned by The Wind Waker, and the crucial story elements in Four Swords Adventures were removed late in development, meaning that no game currently covers the events.

Originally Posted by Freeq

It seems to me the Imprisoning War is just a backstory event that comes before A Link to the Past. Ocarina of Time being the Imprisoning War was retconned by The Wind Waker, and the crucial story elements in Four Swords Adventures were removed late in development, meaning that no game currently covers the events.

Well the Wind Waker was on one side, what about the CT.

By the way, these are questions we're arguing about on every other thread.

Originally Posted by Watties

Well the Wind Waker was on one side, what about the CT.

The main plot relates to events on the adult side of the timeline (and Aonuma himself says it follows from the adult side), so it can't go on the child side.

Originally Posted by Freeq

The main plot relates to events on the adult side of the timeline (and Aonuma himself says it follows from the adult side), so it can't go on the child side.

where did he say that? Seems to me that Nintendo has been pretty quiet about the SW since the 98 quote saying OOT was the war.

I was talking about The Wind Waker.

Yep, I'm a firm believer that the SW is most likely on the CT because I like to place ALttP there. However, I don't think any game currently covers the events, unless FSA does loosely. Really, this all comes down to the personal opinion of the theorist nowadays because Nintendo doesn't seem to have an official position anymore on the SW.

Originally Posted by Freeq

Ocarina of Time being the Imprisoning War was retconned by The Wind Waker

*headdesk*

I'm getting sick of people saying this like it is a fact. It is not proven and OoT never lead directly into ALttP, even when it was confirmed as the SW. Saying TWW retconning it is a fact is biased.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

OoT never lead directly into ALttP

That's up for debate, it's not like the Miyamoto order is entirely proven. However, both

OoT - ALttP - LoZ/AoL

and

OoT - LoZ/AoL - ALttP

have quite a few holes...

Originally Posted by Jarsh

That's up for debate, it's not like the Miyamoto order is entirely proven.

Neither is OoT leading directly into ALttP, but people love to use that as evidence that OoT is no longer the SW.

Besides, OoT-LoZ/AoL-ALttP has fewer inconsistencies.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Neither is OoT leading directly into ALttP, but people love to use that as evidence that OoT is no longer the SW.

People use Wind Waker to prove that OoT isn't the SW anymore. What you love is to use LoZ to prove that OoT never lead directly into ALTTP. Which is quite a fallacy, for while LoZ can't present facts that was introduced in a later game ( in this case SW ) - Wind Waker can but didn't! Wind Waker completely leaves behind the elements that makes OoT the SW and instead brings light to the events that makes OoT as SW less likely. WW is shows that the SW on the AT was abandoned.
You using LoZ to ignore WW impact on the timeline is just hilarious.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Besides, OoT-LoZ/AoL-ALttP has fewer inconsistencies.

Fewer irrelevant inconsistencies, I figure. Ganondorf jumping in and out of the Sacred Realm ( and the Triforce ) is quite a monstruous inconsistency IMO.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

People use Wind Waker to prove that OoT isn't the SW anymore. What you love is to use LoZ to prove that OoT never lead directly into ALTTP. Which is quite a fallacy, for while LoZ can't present facts that was introduced in a later game ( in this case SW ) - Wind Waker can but didn't! Wind Waker completely leaves behind the elements that makes OoT the SW and instead brings light to the events that makes OoT as SW less likely. WW is shows that the SW on the AT was abandoned.
You using LoZ to ignore WW impact on the timeline is just hilarious.

You can keep saying TWW ruins a connection just by coming in between them all you want, it won't make it true.

Originally Posted by Nerushi

Fewer irrelevant inconsistencies, I figure. Ganondorf jumping in and out of the Sacred Realm ( and the Triforce ) is quite a monstruous inconsistency IMO.

*cough*FSA*cough*

Both have Ganon inconsistencies. OoT-ALttP-LoZ/AoL has a Triforce inconsistency and a Triforce inconsistency.

To say Ganon is relevent, but the Triforce isn't is just biased.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Both have Ganon inconsistencies. OoT-ALttP-LoZ/AoL has a Triforce inconsistency and a Triforce inconsistency.

To say Ganon is relevent, but the Triforce isn't is just biased.

How does OoT lead into LoZ in terms of the Triforce?

A very long time ago, the world was still in an age of confusion.

In a little kingdom, located in the Hyrule region, generations had told about the golden triangular Triforce, which hold mysterious powers.

One day, the Great Demon King Ganon, who planned to rule the world with darkness and fear, led an evil army corps and invaded the kingdom and snatched the Triforce of Power.

Zelda, the princess of the little kingdom, had feared the wicked rule (by Ganon). In order to protect the other Triforce, the Triforce of Wisdom, Zelda divided it into eight parts and hid those in various places.

And, at the same time, she ordered her most trusted person, her own nursing mother Impa, to secretly escape and search for a person with the courage to defeat Ganon.

Upon hearing this, Ganon got angry and seized the princess and released a pursuit party of underlings after Impa.

So Ganon was imprisoned in the Sacred Realm, broke out, lost his Triforce of Power which the kingdom of Hyrule regained, and now he stole it again?

Originally Posted by Ursula

When were the Imprisoning Wars?

Many people debate this. Originally, Ocarina of Time was developed as it. There are theories (it's not a fact) that FSA was developed to be the Imprisoning War, because of some removed text in the game talking about the Master Sword and the "other Six Sages".

We know that the Imprisoning War (Seal War, in the original Japanese) took place after a long time of bloodshed involving a search for the entrance to the Sacred Realm, nicknamed by some here the Wars Over the Triforce.

We know that no one was successfull in entering the Sacred Realm and returning prior to the Seal War.

Are they the Dark Interlopers and the Child part of OoT?

Unlikely. In the story of the Seal War, evil flowed out of the Sacred Realm, and Seven Sages cast a Seal to keep the evil locked in. While it's possible that evil flowed from the Sacred Realm in because of the Interlopers, it is not stated.

The "sealing" done in that story was the Interlopers being sealed in the Twilight Realm by the Light Spirits. No Sages are stated to be involved, and it never says the Sacred Realm was sealed.

Some believe that when the Temple of Time was built over the entrance to the Sacred Realm, that was the "Seal". However, the Temple of Time is built to keep people from getting into the Sacred Realm. The Seal was cast to keep evil from getting out. They don't serve the same purpose.


This is probably the most fiercely debated topic in Zelda, and to be honest, there's no easy answer.

What do you think?

I still believe it to be the Adult events of Ocarina of Time, just as it was originally intended, but it's definitely not crystal clear.

Oh ♥♥♥♥, I go away for a day and now I'm debating OoT-LoZ-ALttP here ASWELL!?!!?!

Holy crap I'm already debating this on LA and ZD.

How does OoT lead into LoZ in terms of the Triforce?

OoT-Ganon has the ToP
LoZ-Ganon has the ToP

OoT is LoZ's backstory for Ganon getting the ToP. Easy enough.

So Ganon was imprisoned in the Sacred Realm, broke out, lost his Triforce of Power which the kingdom of Hyrule regained, and now he stole it again?

We knoe for a fact Hyrule regained the entire triforce in AoL...Yeah that sounds about right. Makes sense really if you look at the context of AlttP in what way Ganon entered the SR.

Originally Posted by Pinecove

We know for a fact Hyrule regained the entire triforce in AoL...Yeah that sounds about right. Makes sense really if you look at the context of AlttP in what way Ganon entered the SR.

So then, Miyamoto's timeline of LoZ/AoL - ALttP makes sense if the SW comes between the gap in these games. After AoL, you're implying that the Triforce was placed in the Sacred Realm (or placed back in it, as it would be) and then Ganondorf stumbled upon this realm by accident.

The question would be...is this the same Ganondorf as the one from OoT or a completely new individual?

Interesting proposition you have here with the game placement and SW placement, Pinecove. (If I'm understanding you correctly, that is.)

So then, Miyamoto's timeline of LoZ/AoL - ALttP makes sense if the SW comes between the gap in these games. After AoL, you're implying that the Triforce was placed in the Sacred Realm (or placed back in it, as it would be) and then Ganondorf stumbled upon this realm by accident.

The question would be...is this the same Ganondorf as the one from OoT or a completely new individual?

Interesting proposition you have here with the game placement and SW placement, Pinecove. (If I'm understanding you correctly, that is.)

You understand me perfectly.

Two things can happen:
1. The SW can be something which isn't OoT and it hapens inbetween AoL and ALttP
2. The Seal from the SW (OoT) is still intact so when Ganon enters the SR he can't find a way out because the seal is still cast.

Another option with the Triforce is taking S&D as Canon so as not to have a Triforce inconsistancy. However the Triforce might simply go back to the SR after AoL so...

Either way yeah that's it.