Sacred Realm entrance

This is my point of view regarding the temple of time and the Master Sword.
For those who have doubts, I will cover this arguments:

- Why didn't TP Link travel in time pulling the MS?
- Why he didn't enter the Sacred Realm?
- Why the ToT moved to the woods?
- Why in TWW the MS lies in Hyrule Castle?

Let's begin. First of all, based on the informations the games gave us, we know that the ToT was built to protect the entrance to the SR. Correct me if I'm wrong. The MS was the last key to open the gate and have full access to the SR. This means that the actual entrance is phisically where the Pedestal of Time was build (and where it is in OOT).

I personally imagine the passage as a pool full of some kind of magic substance. By pulling the MS this substance escapes the seal (OOT's blue sparkles and lights, anyone?) and the person in that room finds himself in the SR. But this is my point of view, I see it as a pool, you can see it as you want.

Back ontopic. assuming that the entrance to the SR is a phisical thing existing in Hyrule, and not just some kind of magic spell, we can jump to some conclusions:

- OOT Adult Ending: the entrance was closed by the sages, as Ganon was sealed inside. The ToT became rather unuseful (maybe destroyed), and the MS was moved to Hyrule Castle, as its porpouse as a key to the SR didn't exist anymore. This point explains another one, debated for long: OOT's child Link stayed in the SR for 7 years in order to grow up and be able to wield the MS, but WW Link, who is also a child, didn't. This because in WW there were no sages around, nor an entrance to the SR. WW Link had to wield the MS as a child as there was no other solution.

OOT Child Ending: the entrance remained open, the ToT and the MS serving their respective porpouses. Sompe time after (or before, who knows) Ganon's Execution, the sages with the help of the Oocca moved the ToT in the lost woods/sacred grove to hid the MS. buy doing so there could have happened two things:
1- The entrance to the SR became inactive.
2- (most likely) The entrance was still there, hidden in a different way. It's just fan-finc, but IMO they enlarged Hyrule Castle and built a tower over it (one of the several giant towers we can see in TP).

So, looking at this theories, we've answered the questions above:

- Why didn't TP Link travel in time pulling the MS?
Because there was no entrance to the SR under the pedestal of time.
- Why he didn't enter the Sacred Realm?
Same as above. Pulling the MS in TP and ALTTP is like opening a door that reveals a wall.
- Why the ToT moved to the woods?
To prevent further damages; Ganon knew how to reach the SR, so the sages changed the sistem.
- Why in TWW the MS lies in Hyrule Castle?
Because the entrance to the SR was sealed, and the ToT became unuseful. The MS was brought to HC as a sacred weapon, nothing more.

I hope some better theorist than me could use these informations to come up with something.
Thanks for reading

The time traveling part that OoT Link had to deal with was because Link wasn't old enough to wield the Master Sword, WW Link most likely didn't need to go through the same process because the sword powers wasn't at full strength(or WW Link is old enough to wield it, as its very hard to judge his age). TP could wield it just fine because he was old enough.

Only the Hero of Time had to be a certain age. Link from TWW and TP were different heroes, and may have had a different age limit, if at all.

That covers the first two questions.

Originally Posted by ZeldaZealot

or WW Link is old enough to wield it, as its very hard to judge his age

He's 12.

Wind Waker Link had to prove himself via the Temple of the Gods... didn't he?

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

He's 12.

oh yeah? who told you so? some cousin of Aonuma that works with a schoolmate of your friend's uncle?

Originally Posted by Navi the Fairy

Wind Waker Link had to prove himself via the Temple of the Gods... didn't he?

Yes. But does that matter with the point of this thread?

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse

Only the Hero of Time had to be a certain age. Link from TWW and TP were different heroes, and may have had a different age limit, if at all.

That covers the first two questions.

It's another way to answer those questions. But there is a lot of fan-fic, I never heard about that age limit...

Originally Posted by ZeldaZealot

The time traveling part that OoT Link had to deal with was because Link wasn't old enough to wield the Master Sword, WW Link most likely didn't need to go through the same process because the sword powers wasn't at full strength(or WW Link is old enough to wield it, as its very hard to judge his age). TP could wield it just fine because he was old enough.

This is not the point. I wanna know what you think about the entrance to the SR and if my theory regarding it looks good to you

Originally Posted by PrinceDesirée

oh yeah? who told you so? some cousin of Aonuma that works with a schoolmate of your friend's uncle?

Official pre-release materials on TWW said that he is.

Originally Posted by Jarsh

Official pre-release materials on TWW said that he is.

If that makes TWW Link officially 12, then OoT Link is officially 7~8 when he is young.

^
What about the ROM of Master Quest saying that Young Link is 10 and Adult Link is 17?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But didn't it actually say 5 and 17?

Originally Posted by PrinceDesirée

It's another way to answer those questions. But there is a lot of fan-fic, I never heard about that age limit...

"Only one worthy of the title of "Hero of Time" can pull it from the Pedestal of Time.... However, you were too young to be the Hero of Time.... Therefore, your spirit was sealed here for seven years." —Rauru (Ocarina of Time)

This is why Link in OoT kept in the Sacred Realm for 7 years, he was not worthy enough.

Twilight Princess Link had proven himself worthy via the stone soldiers that made him do the puzzle so he needed not go into the Sacred Realm.

@TotG

The original N64 ROM did, but Master Quest corrected it. I don't have a source to back this up, but I remember reading about it several times. I'll continue looking.

EDIT: After browsing YouTube, it appears I'm wrong. You're right, TotG, it's still Age: 5 and Age: 17 in the Master Quest Debug ROM.

I apologize for the possibly unsatisfactory music.

The Master Sword/Sacred Realm entrance in Ocarina was in the Temple of Time. The Master Sword in TP was in the Sacred Grotto. In Ocarina, Link had to plat the Song of Time to gain entrance and in TP he had to solve a sort of combination lock moving the Guardian Statues around to gain entrance to the Sacred Grove. The Lost woods seems to have been enchanted somewhat by all the openings and closings of apparent walls by the Shull Kid as a white rabbit who leads you in to test your worthiness. The Scared Grove in TP may just be the remains of the old Temple of Time and the castle was moved. Over the course of hundreds of years it's possible some landmarks may just erode away and moved for safety purposes. There is no real explanation for this thoery and that is probably whay Miyamoto san intended. To leave some storytelling to our own imaginations and be involved in the story according to our mind's own wishes. Kudos, though it's a nice thoery.

WW link is 12
and Oot link (young) is either 7 or 10 (adult is either 14 or 17)

Originally Posted by Icer

The Master Sword/Sacred Realm entrance in Ocarina was in the Temple of Time. The Master Sword in TP was in the Sacred Grotto.

Both are placed in the Pedestal of Time.

Originally Posted by Jarsh

Official pre-release materials on TWW said that he is.

I was actually aiming for a "because it said so in Toon Link's trophy description in SSBB".

Also, on that link you've provided us with, I think it says that Link is 12-13.

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

I was actually aiming for a "because it said so in Toon Link's trophy description in SSBB".

Also, on that link you've provided us with, I think it says that Link is 12-13.

Oh yeah, SSBB does say that, huh? Anyhow, here is the VERY rough translation according to Google Translate of what it says regarding Link's age:

The island, linked 12-year-old birthday,
Lived happily with his sister and grandmother.
However, one day, mysterious giant bird appeared,
In front of the link,
Sister would have taken away.

- Why didn't TP Link travel in time pulling the MS?
- Why he didn't enter the Sacred Realm?
- Why the ToT moved to the woods?
- Why in TWW the MS lies in Hyrule Castle?

just addin my 6 Cents here.
1. in the ocarina of time link pulled out the master sword because he had gathered the 3 sacred stones and used the ocarina of time to open the sealed door. the entire reason why the temple was there is because the 6 sages had decided to create it to seal in a great power/protect the spirtitual realm. the magical triggers that were set around the magical sword (7 years time travel thing and power to dispel evil) had only the powers that the goddessess depicted were necessary to place there at that time. the goddessess, i believe have the power to change (depending on the circumstances) the specified powers of the sword. seeing as how in TWW link had to re-empower the sword/re-charge it with the energy necessary to destroy the evil that was (at the time) allowed/escaped to roam hyrule.

2. The sacred realm is (the way i see it) moreso a thing to be entered by places choosen (again) in advance, but the world being a thing constantly changing, relocates these spots of teleportation, however that is not what i mean to explain. seeing as how the sword pedestal is constantly shifting from place to place exe. woods, temple of time, under water castle of hyrule, (in the case of majora's mask) nowhere, i belive that it is not the earth shifting the pedestal but by hyrulians by magical means, and with a sense of secrecy and security. i would wonder why else it would be in the calstle grounds in one generation then in the secret location in the lost woods next. and in saying thus, i am implying that the sacred realm cannot be dictated in its location by the moving of the master sword's pedestal. it has to be in a set location(by the goddesses) to be entered only by the pure in heart(like link) or banished to under eternal gaurd(like ganondorf).

3. i have absolutely no idea what ToT stands for (possibly The ocarina of time) however i dont realy care. sorry

4. going along with my origional hypothesis, i belive that the pedestal of time was created by the six sages (otherwise why would there be a big building quote "built by the six sages"unquote, after the pedestal was already there) and assuming they have done thus, i have high reason to belive that the pedestal of time could be relocated by conveinience of securiy and safety by magical means.
i mean every time the pedestal shows up it is near a position of spiritual significance: Tp- temple of time ruins was right behind the enclosed area, and moved to an area designated for its proper placement in the wind waker seeing as how the stained glass and gaurdians werent obvious enough, and this could also give reason as to why link in the MM had no Ms or temple to go to to retrieve the Ms because he 1. didnt have time 2. was origionaly busy with another mission(relocating the ocarina of time) or 3. it had no signifigance in destroying the actual mask. the pedestal has only one objective-to hold the Ms in turn having many possible objectives determined by the goddessess to be used for.
so the only possible reason (that i see) why the pedestal/Ms was located in the hyrule castle was because it was the only (remembered/built) spiritual place refering to the origional reason why the sword was made.

i hope my speculations have helped. i acctually didnt mean to go into a major theory rant lol

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But didn't it actually say 5 and 17?

how come 5 + 7 = 17?!

Originally Posted by zenox24

just addin my 6 Cents here.
1. in the ocarina of time link pulled out the master sword because he had gathered the 3 sacred stones and used the ocarina of time to open the sealed door. the entire reason why the temple was there is because the 6 sages had decided to create it to seal in a great power/protect the spirtitual realm. the magical triggers that were set around the magical sword (7 years time travel thing and power to dispel evil) had only the powers that the goddessess depicted were necessary to place there at that time. the goddessess, i believe have the power to change (depending on the circumstances) the specified powers of the sword. seeing as how in TWW link had to re-empower the sword/re-charge it with the energy necessary to destroy the evil that was (at the time) allowed/escaped to roam hyrule.

2. The sacred realm is (the way i see it) moreso a thing to be entered by places choosen (again) in advance, but the world being a thing constantly changing, relocates these spots of teleportation, however that is not what i mean to explain. seeing as how the sword pedestal is constantly shifting from place to place exe. woods, temple of time, under water castle of hyrule, (in the case of majora's mask) nowhere, i belive that it is not the earth shifting the pedestal but by hyrulians by magical means, and with a sense of secrecy and security. i would wonder why else it would be in the calstle grounds in one generation then in the secret location in the lost woods next. and in saying thus, i am implying that the sacred realm cannot be dictated in its location by the moving of the master sword's pedestal. it has to be in a set location(by the goddesses) to be entered only by the pure in heart(like link) or banished to under eternal gaurd(like ganondorf).

3. i have absolutely no idea what ToT stands for (possibly The ocarina of time) however i dont realy care. sorry

4. going along with my origional hypothesis, i belive that the pedestal of time was created by the six sages (otherwise why would there be a big building quote "built by the six sages"unquote, after the pedestal was already there) and assuming they have done thus, i have high reason to belive that the pedestal of time could be relocated by conveinience of securiy and safety by magical means.
i mean every time the pedestal shows up it is near a position of spiritual significance: Tp- temple of time ruins was right behind the enclosed area, and moved to an area designated for its proper placement in the wind waker seeing as how the stained glass and gaurdians werent obvious enough, and this could also give reason as to why link in the MM had no Ms or temple to go to to retrieve the Ms because he 1. didnt have time 2. was origionaly busy with another mission(relocating the ocarina of time) or 3. it had no signifigance in destroying the actual mask. the pedestal has only one objective-to hold the Ms in turn having many possible objectives determined by the goddessess to be used for.
so the only possible reason (that i see) why the pedestal/Ms was located in the hyrule castle was because it was the only (remembered/built) spiritual place refering to the origional reason why the sword was made.

i hope my speculations have helped. i acctually didnt mean to go into a major theory rant lol

Yes I like THIS type of answer. THIS type of giving opinions. I'm bored with the people who avoid the core of the thread just to talk of stupid particulars. Thank you zenox!