split timeline questions

ok so i do believe in the split timeline but there are some things im unclear of

1. what all is split?-i know hyrule is split but what about the sacred realm and the goddesses?

2.the HoT-even though he goes back, shouldnt there be 2 HoTs in the CT? for example if i go back in time 7 years, there will be 17 year old me and the 10 year old me.

3. the prophecy-why would there be a hero destined to travel through time and cause a paradox? was the split part of the prophecy or just zelda's stupid mistake?

Tine is split. There is one line where there is a 17 year old Link defeatin Ganon to save Hyrule. And another with a 10 year old Link who convinced the king that Ganon was a bad dude or somethin. Besides people that Ganon killed both lines are exact paralell duplicates.

17 yeah old Link is on the adult timeline, whereas 1o year old Link is on the child timeline.

The paradox is caused by Zelda sendin Link backj in time to live out his child hood.

How was that theroist pros? I don't theroy, but I think that is correct..

Originally Posted by mclennon_27

1. what all is split?-i know hyrule is split but what about the sacred realm and the goddesses?

Just the realm/universe that Hyrule is in is split. The Sacred Realm and stuff like that is separate.

2.the HoT-even though he goes back, shouldnt there be 2 HoTs in the CT? for example if i go back in time 7 years, there will be 17 year old me and the 10 year old me.

One of two explanations:

1. Some crazy magic that Zelda and/or the Gods did
or
2. He just replaced himself.

3. the prophecy-why would there be a hero destined to travel through time and cause a paradox? was the split part of the prophecy or just zelda's stupid mistake?

The only time the Hero of Time travels through time is when he goes back in time, which is when Zelda sends him back. Therefore, Zelda sending him back was probably part of the prophesy.

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

Just the realm/universe that Hyrule is in is split. The Sacred Realm and stuff like that is separate.

so the triforce is transported between the 2 hyrules?
and the ultimate question is is it possible to jump through the sacred realm to the other timeline?

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

The only time the Hero of Time travels through time is when he goes back in time, which is when Zelda sends him back. Therefore, Zelda sending him back was probably part of the prophesy.

i understand he slept for 7 years so his real time would be the AT, not the CT, so i think there may be another link who never fulfilled the prophecy

that would mean Alttp can be on both timelines because of the dark world
since there would be a connection between the worlds then couldnt the timeline unify?

Originally Posted by 13th

Tine is split. There is one line where there is a 17 year old Link defeatin Ganon to save Hyrule. And another with a 10 year old Link who convinced the king that Ganon was a bad dude or somethin. Besides people that Ganon killed both lines are exact paralell duplicates.

17 yeah old Link is on the adult timeline, whereas 1o year old Link is on the child timeline.

The paradox is caused by Zelda sendin Link backj in time to live out his child hood.

How was that theroist pros? I don't theroy, but I think that is correct..

That's a lot of pink.

The sacred realm can be split too. The goddesses, I don't know. If the goddesses can travel from one timeline to another, that would be cool.

During Ocarina of Time, there's only one Link. In the end of that game, Zelda used the Ocarina to send him to his original time, instead of him using the Master Sword to time travel. Because of this, it is possible another Child Link exists as well.

That big owl said the tale of a boy who could travel through time has come true.

I don't know if it was related to the prophecy, but Zelda definetely knew she would send him back in the end and cause a split. If she didn't send him back, he could only go back in time with the Master Sword to a certain point in time, which was after her kid self got him involved with her plan. Because she said she wanted to make up for that mistake, she sent him further back in time to before all of that. She knows she is going to split the timeline because she said "thank you, this world will enjoy peace, for a time, etc", and TWW and PH exist. She doesn't tell him "thanks for nothing since you will go back in time and change it so we won't exist anymore". The whole point of the game was to free the future, not overwrite it. Otherwise, once Link first went back in time, he could have just screwed the future by staying put.

During the game it's highly improbable, although possible, that Link changing anything in the past causes a split in time. For example, if he plants a magic bean in a patch of soil in the past, then time travels to the future, he will end up in a timeline that has a new giant leaf in its place. He will not end up in the timeline where is no giant leaf. That timeline broke off and exists as its own, Link can never get back to it, but everything in that leaf-less timeline still exists. Now let's say he's in the future where the giant leaf is. Suppose Link goes back to the past, digs up the soil and removes the bean, then goes to the future. I know this isn't possible in the gameplay but it brings up another point. Will he end up in the first leaf-less future timeline, or in a new leaf-less timeline? Technically if every action causes a split, he will end up in the new one.

If that's too much for you, then for the sake of simplicity, you can assume time doesn't split like I explained for whatever action he does until the end of the game.

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

Just the realm/universe that Hyrule is in is split. The Sacred Realm and stuff like that is separate.

No I don't think so... Otherwise, the sages from OoT would be able to exist in both Hyrules.

Also, the sacred realm would have to exist outside of time for it to have not split, but we all know that Link aged and grew inside the sacred realm, meaning that it would have to exist in time.

The goddesses, on the other hand, exist outside of time, so they did not get duplicated.

space and time are connected hence "space-time" you can't go to another dimesnion of space to get to another branch of time, that doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by Labrynian Rebel

space and time are connected hence "space-time" you can't go to another dimesnion of space to get to another branch of time, that doesn't make any sense.

if the goddesses arent split, then they do exist in the heavens to both timelines. its the same idea. the goddesses see both timelines therefore can be in both.

its the same idea with the sacred realm. if it doesnt split, then why couldnt you? its not really 2 timelines but 2 dimensions of hyrule which are connected by the sacred realm.

Yeah, don't assume the Sacred Realm never split. Also, it's safe to say that the Triforce split as well. Link was the only one who didn't, since the AT lost him to the flows of time, as we learn in WW.

We know that the sacred realm exists inside of time, which the goddesses created, because Link grows and ages inside of it for 7 years.

When time split, so did the sacred realm because it exists within the boundaries of time.

Also, if the sacred realm existed outside of time, that would mean that Link would have been able to travel to any time period in Hyrulean history, and if he did have this ability, you would have to wonder why Link didn't just go back in time to stop Ganondorf instead of going through so much trouble to awaken the sages.

Originally Posted by MrBaconsock

No I don't think so... Otherwise, the sages from OoT would be able to exist in both Hyrules.

Also, the sacred realm would have to exist outside of time for it to have not split, but we all know that Link aged and grew inside the sacred realm, meaning that it would have to exist in time.

The goddesses, on the other hand, exist outside of time, so they did not get duplicated.

Originally Posted by MrBaconsock

We know that the sacred realm exists inside of time, which the goddesses created, because Link grows and ages inside of it for 7 years.

When time split, so did the sacred realm because it exists within the boundaries of time

Originally Posted by MrBaconsock

Also, if the sacred realm existed outside of time, that would mean that Link would have been able to travel to any time period in Hyrulean history, and if he did have this ability, you would have to wonder why Link didn't just go back in time to stop Ganondorf instead of going through so much trouble to awaken the sages.

Okay, I see your logic. In this case, I'll support this theory.

The Sacred Realm is technically a part of Hyrule as stated in certain games. This proves that it does exist inside of time and it does split.

If it existed outside of time, then we would have to have two different games happening parallel to each other on opposite timelines with the exact same state of the Sacred Realm. It just doesn't work.

During Ocarina of Time, there's only one Link. In the end of that game, Zelda used the Ocarina to send him to his original time, instead of him using the Master Sword to time travel. Because of this, it is possible another Child Link exists as well.

Yeah, but based on what we saw with Majora's Mask, it's logical to assume that the Goddess of Time prevented this from occurring.

Okay, so if there are two Sacred Realms now, with the 6/7 sages we unlocked in the adult portion of Ocarina of Time, who are the sages in the Child Timeline?

What restrains Ganondorf to the Sacred Realm other than the Master Sword? Isn't he restrained or something [I'm referring to the restraining scene referred to in Twilight Princess after beating the 4th Dungeon and talking to the Sages]

Originally Posted by Ursula

Okay, so if there are two Sacred Realms now, with the 6/7 sages we unlocked in the adult portion of Ocarina of Time, who are the sages in the Child Timeline?

They are likely the ones that came before the OoT Sages.

What restrains Ganondorf to the Sacred Realm other than the Master Sword? Isn't he restrained or something [I'm referring to the restraining scene referred to in Twilight Princess after beating the 4th Dungeon and talking to the Sages]

The Sacred Realm has nothing to do with TP.

They are likely the ones that came before the OoT Sages.

Oh? What happened to them, then? o-o;
I don't recall OoT saying anything about them XD;
Did Ganondorf kill them or something? D:

The Sacred Realm has nothing to do with TP.

Oh, my bad. Well, it's likely he was sent to the Sacred Realm, or something to be punished by the Sages and then sent to the Twilight Realm?
Unless, he was sent somewhere else? >->;

Okay, and so then, if Ganondorf is banished to the Sacred Realm at the then of OoT, but he has already corrupted the land by having touched the Triforce - ergo, the Imprisoning Wars mentioned in A Link to the Past.

Originally Posted by ZeldaWiki

Ganondorf is then shown entering the Sacred Realm through the portal Link opened and is later revealed by the Sage of Light Rauru to have obtained the Triforce from the Temple of Light at the heart of the Sacred Realm, causing his power to radiate from the temples of Hyrule and to transform the Sacred Realm into a corrupt world of evil and despair, with only the Temple of Light itself remaining uncorrupted

Correct?

So, logically speaking, because Link is sent back to the point before he opens the door to the Sacred Realm and Ganondorf gets the Triforce and goes crazy, the Sacred Realm isn't tainted by Ganondorf and, thus, on the Child Timeline, the Sacred Realm is not the Dark World?

From that, one can conclude that ALTTP could not have occurred on multiple timelines, but only the Adult Timeline, right?
And, one theoretically, one could also conclude that any Sacred Realm on the Child Timeline is untainted..right?

Originally Posted by mclennon_27

1. what all is split?-i know hyrule is split but what about the sacred realm and the goddesses?

No, Hyrule is NOT split, TIME is split, and so, there is now 2 "dimensions" of everything that travel at the same speed (time). EVERYTHING has been split (unknowingly)

2.the HoT-even though he goes back, shouldnt there be 2 HoTs in the CT? for example if i go back in time 7 years, there will be 17 year old me and the 10 year old me.

The first hero of time was asleep for seven years, then he warped back.....there are 2 posibilities. (1) he awoke in between those seven years in his own body (with the knowledge of the future) or (2) he is trapped in the sacred realm a sleep, while the future link has returned . Meanig that one link might be forever trapped in the sacred realm

3. the prophecy-why would there be a hero destined to travel through time and cause a paradox? was the split part of the prophecy or just zelda's stupid mistake?

Probably a bit of both......they probably knew he was going to come, but they probably didn't know it would cause a split ( both hyrule are probably unaware of the split)

Anyway, thats how i see it.

Originally Posted by Ursula

Oh? What happened to them, then? o-o;
I don't recall OoT saying anything about them XD;
Did Ganondorf kill them or something? D:

Ganondorf probably killed them. That's why you have to find new Sages in the AT part of OoT.

Oh, my bad. Well, it's likely he was sent to the Sacred Realm, or something to be punished by the Sages and then sent to the Twilight Realm?
Unless, he was sent somewhere else? >->;

He did "something outrageous" and was sent to Arbiter's Grounds in the Gerudo Desert to be executed. The execution failed and he was sent to the Twilight Realm instead. The Sacred Realm has nothing to do with it.

So, logically speaking, because Link is sent back to the point before he opens the door to the Sacred Realm and Ganondorf gets the Triforce and goes crazy, the Sacred Realm isn't tainted by Ganondorf and, thus, on the Child Timeline, the Sacred Realm is not the Dark World?

From that, one can conclude that ALTTP could not have occurred on multiple timelines, but only the Adult Timeline, right?
And, one theoretically, one could also conclude that any Sacred Realm on the Child Timeline is untainted..right?

This is true, but one could say that the Sacred Realm was tainted on the CT at a different time.

everything is split except the goddesses right?

in MM the goddess of time helps link travel back 3 days so is she outside of the flow of time?

so how can you say everything is split?

Everything except for the Goddesses is split.

The Goddess of Time is likely one/all of the three Goddesses.

Also, Termina is separate from Hyrule's universe, so it is not split either.