New theory on OoT/MM/FS/FSA - Maps!

The first map on discussion. The OoT Map.

I want to take notice of The Clouded area. Just keep those locations in mind.



So here it goes: This is the FSA Map. I think a connection could be made between: The location of the Desert, Hyrule castle/Lon Lon Ranch, Ice field/Lake Hylia and Zora river.

Desert Land: What if the Clouded area in OoT is where the Rest of the Desert, shown in FSA, is? It fits in the sense that the fortress is a central location of the Gerudo stronghold, yet they live in the Actual desert area. The pyramid is also in the Clouded area.

Hyrule Castle/Lon Lon: Simply, what if, between MM and FS, Lon Lon ranch was moved and Hyrule castle Expanded their land in that space (thus, in FSA, it appears that the castle has Grown. Its a larger looking castle because it took land that was mainly field.)

Ice field/Lake: Ice field is the frozen remains of Lake Hylia. Caused by either Ganondorf of the CT or of a natural Occurance. Both make sense to me.

Zora River: in OoT, Zora River sits to the East. In FSA, There is a giant mass of water in a cave-ish entity that spills over, much like Zora River.

Now... thats OoT-FSA Connection.

DISCLAIMER: I KNOW Termina is an Alternate/Parallel Location. This is clear (or at least highly hinted at) but...



If FSA Is what OoT's Land looks like over time... then The connection between the frozen Piece in FSA and the Frozen, northern Aspect of termina seem to fit. Termina is the Bottom of Hyrule. Now, this means that the previous idea of The ice being formed during MM is shot. so here i suggest alternatives.

It happened during OoT(Ending)-MM.
Ganondorf probably did it.
Termina sent look a little ahead in time, after the fact of the Ice formation.

So that is that.

Now...



Regarding this FS map. Lets say that The volcanic area, Ice area, grass land and water to the east... is located in the area in FSA That has the ice area next to the grass area. Southern Middle Area of FSA.


Note: Looking back at the maps. The area of Termina is LITERALLY a small speck at the very edge of the Ice looking area of FSA. I also think that the desert/rock land of Termina connects near the Grass area of FSA.


So this is my Timeline...
MC
OoT/MM/FS/FSA/(Maybe OoX if One can accept that The Hero of Time can Be sent THROUGH Time by the Triforce)
TP
ALttP
OoX*

And the Adult Timeline is simply OoT-WW/PH-ST-LoZ/AoL

Ganon is an issue here, and some other minor-ish continuity things (Kakariko, for instance) but it's possible. It's far more likely, with this reasoning, that the FSS follows TP or precedes OoT instead of interposing them.

I see what you're getting at, but Termina isn't a part of Hyrule as discussed in a few other threads. Also, TP shows us that OoT Hyrule is surrounded by mountains and forests, not water.

No comment on the timeline. We discussed it in another thread.

Well... Nice timeline.
Snowy Peak in TP area explanation please. If water/snow areas in south. Also south of OoT Hyrule somewhere is what should become Ordona.

Originally Posted by Slagr

Ganon is an issue here, and some other minor-ish continuity things (Kakariko, for instance) but it's possible. It's far more likely, with this reasoning, that the FSS follows TP or precedes OoT instead of interposing them.

Kakariko... grrr.

Ganondorf of the past would, at the end of OoT, Seek the next best powerful item (which cant be the Triforce since Link was the Key to him entering the SR). This item can be the Trident found in his villages pyramid.

Ganondorf would be Stripped pf his Trident and sent to TR

Ganon from ALttP (To Me) seems to be a completely different one. I also think the BS of ALttP Is out of game. Never happened in a game. so... yea.

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

I see what you're getting at, but Termina isn't a part of Hyrule as discussed in a few other threads. Also, TP shows us that OoT Hyrule is surrounded by mountains and forests, not water.

No comment on the timeline. We discussed it in another thread.

...

TP, Btw, happens (i think), Waaaaay after OoT. Plus. Water is not the overall impression left on the FSA Map so (not to say that its not accountable) i simply ignore that aspect... for now.

Originally Posted by Navi the Fairy

Well... Nice timeline.
Snowy Peak in TP area explanation please. If water/snow areas in south. Also south of OoT Hyrule somewhere is what should become Ordona.

For the sake of being simple, ill just say that TIME has passed between OoT and TP. So much so that ANYTHING could have happened. If we look at ALttP Map...



We can see that it is vastly different from OoT 's map, yet bears some rememberance to its former self (Hyrule Castle is Always in the Center). So chop it up to time with those complaints... for now.

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

Water is not the overall impression left on the FSA Map

Right because FSA Hyrule is actually surrounded by blue grass.


Seriously though, TP Hyrule is exactly the same as OoT Hyrule. Having random geography changes in between just doesn't work too well. It could work, but you'd have to do a lot of thought-expanding to get it to work and even more to be able to convince people.

The only thing really changing is the Southern portion of Hyrule. All 3 Maps (OoT,TP, FSA) All have similar Looks. It wont be so much as Random, but more like shift. ALttP Map is basically OoT's map but with locations in opposites... to account for this, one must concede that Hyrule's land mass changes over time.

...Water is Water... so i suppose FSA takes place on the AT?

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

The only thing really changing is the Southern portion of Hyrule. All 3 Maps (OoT,TP, FSA) All have similar Looks. It wont be so much as Random, but more like shift. ALttP Map is basically OoT's map but with locations in opposites... to account for this, one must concede that Hyrule's land mass changes over time.

If FSA Hyrule is the same as ALttP Hyrule and TP Hyrule is the same as OoT Hyrule, then they should be grouped together (if you're using geography to place games). So, OoT - TP and FSA - ALttP with nothing in between the games of either grouping.

...Water is Water... so i suppose FSA takes place on the AT?

That's the idea.

By the way, that "blue grass" thing was a joke.

Hmm... There is always a little hole in any theory.

Edit: Just looked at some TP Maps and Noticed that it is VERY different from the previous maps. Look...








I Fail to see how these maps CLOSELY follow the OoT Maps...

Regarding the Mountains at the Edgeof Hyrule...
...
Who's to say that there is not water around these rocks?



Another thing. Just saw The owl from OoT... And i dont think he ever introduced himself on the Child Timeline. But... he does in FSA... Same Owl too. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

Regarding Kakariko Village. I dont have an Explaination... yet.

EDIT 2: Changed Timeline - OoT/FS/FSA/MM - Etc.

3 Reasons
1: Malon and Link MET In FSA (I Assume Link was sent back to Before Meeting these people) and soon has a chance to Ride Epona. This could explain how he acquires Epona for his journey to Termina... Because he Earned It.
2: The meaning of the Intro to MM Can (if this timeline applies) become Literal (Because Link SAVED Hyrule in FSA, and from GANON no less) and still remain in Metaphor for his Journey through Time.
3: Zelda states that she spent Days with Link. Now... this has nothing to do with anything... but... Would it not be memorable if the Boy you just met (who said he went on a Journey through time) suddenly became a Hero in his own time and proved he was able to succeed by defeating an ancient Wind Mage and the Man who would have taken over everything? I think she would like that Link to come back.

So yea. Link gets his horse, new equipment, Leaves the land he had just saved from total Despair and went on to become the saviour of another bunch of People.

If this timeline is True... Then This Link, The Hero of Time, would have...

Defeated Ganondorf the Man and Ganon the Demon (Sealed by him both times and by Seven other Sages (making him a prophecy Fufiller on BOTH timelines) teehee).
Defeated an Evil Mask that Could have destroyed the WORLD.
Defeated an Evil Wind Mage named Vaati.
And more...

I Mean... what if This Link REALLY IS the same as OoX

Then he would have Defeated Veran and Onex and a revived Ganon who came into being by the two witches who he killed on another timeline. He would also be doing that twice.

OoT/FS/FSA/MM/OoX*

And then... his essence is passed on to TP Link... cmon...

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

Hmm... There is always a little hole in any theory.

Edit: Just looked at some TP Maps and Noticed that it is VERY different from the previous maps. Look...

I Fail to see how these maps CLOSELY follow the OoT Maps...

Hyrule Castle and Castle Town are in the same location, Death Mountain is to the east/east-north-east, Lake Hylia is to the south-west, Kakariko Village is at the foot of Death Mountain, and even the Graveyard is where it should be in Kakariko. There's much more similarities than these. Look it up in another thread if you're not convinced.

The only difference is that OoT Hyrule only shows from Hyrule Castle to just under the Faron Province border.

Regarding the Mountains at the Edgeof Hyrule...
...
Who's to say that there is not water around these rocks?

FSA.

FSA shows that where there would be forests and mountains, there is only water.

Another thing. Just saw The owl from OoT... And i dont think he ever introduced himself on the Child Timeline. But... he does in FSA... Same Owl too. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

I'm playing through OoT again right now. He does introduce himself.

EDIT 2: Changed Timeline - OoT/FS/FSA/MM - Etc.

3 Reasons
1: Malon and Link MET In FSA (I Assume Link was sent back to Before Meeting these people) and soon has a chance to Ride Epona. This could explain how he acquires Epona for his journey to Termina... Because he Earned It.
2: The meaning of the Intro to MM Can (if this timeline applies) become Literal (Because Link SAVED Hyrule in FSA, and from GANON no less) and still remain in Metaphor for his Journey through Time.
3: Zelda states that she spent Days with Link. Now... this has nothing to do with anything... but... Would it not be memorable if the Boy you just met (who said he went on a Journey through time) suddenly became a Hero in his own time and proved he was able to succeed by defeating an ancient Wind Mage and the Man who would have taken over everything? I think she would like that Link to come back.

So yea. Link gets his horse, new equipment, Leaves the land he had just saved from total Despair and went on to become the saviour of another bunch of People.

If this timeline is True... Then This Link, The Hero of Time, would have...

Defeated Ganondorf the Man and Ganon the Demon (Sealed by him both times and by Seven other Sages (making him a prophecy Fufiller on BOTH timelines) teehee).
Defeated an Evil Mask that Could have destroyed the WORLD.
Defeated an Evil Wind Mage named Vaati.
And more...

That's actually pretty good.

I Mean... what if This Link REALLY IS the same as OoX

Then he would have Defeated Veran and Onex and a revived Ganon who came into being by the two witches who he killed on another timeline. He would also be doing that twice.

OoT/FS/FSA/MM/OoX*

And then... his essence is passed on to TP Link... cmon...

Or, OoX Link can just be a completely different Link with a completely different horse.

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

FSA shows that where there would be forests and mountains, there is only water.

But tMC, FS, and AoL show that where there should be water, there are forests and mountains.

3>1

Also, the similarities between OoT and FSA are stronger connections than, "oh hey, there's some water."

Slagr, my point is that geography shouldn't be used to prove much because it just makes any theory kind of wierd.

I'm still all for a CT-heavy timeline!

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

Slagr, my point is that geography shouldn't be used to prove much because it just makes any theory kind of wierd.

I'm still all for a CT-heavy timeline!

my point is that there are varying degrees of geography that should be taken in varying degrees of regard. It can be good evidence if the right concept is considered. Thank you for your support though.

Originally Posted by Beemnorv

I'm playing through OoT again right now. He does introduce himself.

By name?



And... Geography is a bit wierd, i must admit, yet slagr put it right. Context and Connotations are all pretty important when dealing with Anything in these games. References and Cameos, Geography and Quotes, Interactions and Official statements, all pretty much should be used to get to the truth of the matter (still holding on to the hope that there IS an actual timeline).

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

By name?

Actually, I can't remember. A gossip stone says his name though.

Hmm... so i guess my statement still kinda stands (since it was the Gossip Stone that said it and not the Owl himself)

I'll keep playing. If I find anything interesting about Kaepora Gaebora, I'll be sure to post it.

I'm doing this on Master Quest, so it has a slight chance that it would be a little different.

technically Ojlink9, I was proposing that similar features in similar locations is a more definite connection between games than the arbitrary presence of water.

With this whole geography thing, they totally ****ing retconned everything at Wind Waker.

ALttP and LoZ were no longer connected.

I hate having to admit I'm wrong, but OoT, FSA and ALttP being absurdly similar is really leading me towards something. It's always possible the world unflooded after WW/PH, as we see in ST is unflooded... Well, we see train tracks in other games, not across the world map, but we see them. Usually abandoned as well, meaning the tracks could be an old fashion. Maybe PH-->ST-->MC so on.

Too early to specualte, but this geography thing really starts to open things up.

Maybe watties, but, yes, too early.

I Gotcha slagr, My presentation was made with that in mind.

and Ok Beemnorv.