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Old 10-09-2009, 09:45 PM
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Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

Did anyone realize just how similar the two Gerudo symbols on WW Ganon and Zant are? They're even use the same shade of red and are in the same place in the clothing!


I know that the fact that they both have the Gerudo symbol has already been said, but both of their Gerudo symbols have been altered in the vary same way.
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:29 AM
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

Yeah I noticed that too. I think Zant might have once been intended to be Ganondorf, or that they came up with Zant's design while trying to design TP Ganondorf.
Both have the Gerudo symbol with the swirls in the same place.
Both have long sleves.
Both clothes are mainly black.
Both designs feature dragon symbols (Ganondorf has two dragons on his back, you can see the claws on the front on his shoulders)
Both have a "demonic/dragon face" with a gem on their upper chest.

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Ganondorf's swords have Hylian writing on them. Does anyone have a bigger picture of his swords?
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Old 10-10-2009, 01:02 AM
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

I think that those are snakes on Zant's robes, not dragons. Also, dark robes are relatively generic for sorcerers, so I doubt that they were meant to be a connection. While Ganondorf's Gerudo symbol in TWW resembles Zant's symbol, spiral designs are everywhere in TWW, even within Hyrule Castle.
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Old 10-10-2009, 01:12 AM
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

zant haven,t any gerudo symbol, there are different symbols· Bitter, the hylian writing on ganondorf´s sword says:koume&kotake·
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Old 10-10-2009, 01:43 AM
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

I think that symbol is worn by a coalition of tribes against Hyrule.

It is worn by several races, Gerudo (Ganondorf), Zant & Veran (Zuna = Twili?), and Onox
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zant haven,t any gerudo symbol, there are different symbols·
Zant symbol looks very much like the Gerudo Symbol, only swirly.
This is the OoT Gerduo Symbol:

This is one of the two versions seen in WW the other one is on Ganondorfs belt thingy):

Above Nabooru, it is not the same as in OoT but still obviously the same symbol. Two Diamond shapes and two dots.
Here is OoT Ganondorf, I think (I'm trying to find out atm) this is where the symbol was first seen, even before it became the "Gerudo Symbol" (by that I mean before the star and the moon where replaced as the Gerudo Symbol):


Pause this video at 1:12. Ganondorf has the symbol on his cape again. It once again looks different but still is obviously the same basic design:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vPheBem6pc


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That's kinda cool
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

nope· zant´s symbol still looks different· in zelda we find a lot of similar symbols,we need to learn see the differences·
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:35 PM
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

Regarding Ganondorf's cape, in the early versions of OoT the cape had the original Gerudo symbol (crescent moon and star) on it as well; it had just been rotated so that the moon was on top.
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Old 10-11-2009, 11:27 PM
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nope· zant´s symbol still looks different· in zelda we find a lot of similar symbols,we need to learn see the differences·
Do not be fooled here you guys, these two symbols may look similar, but they ARE different and therefore in no way related.


Of course I'm just being a dick. I think the Gerudo symbol and the symbol found on Zant's clothing are similar enough (in not only appearance but where they appear, and the type of people associated with them) to be related. The creators of these games are not morons, and they didn't accidentally create extremely similar symbols for each of these appearances. They built on the more simplistic version seen in OoT (once it replaced the crescent and star), just the way any real culture would do. Symbols, like EVERYTHING in culture (life, even), changes slightly over time.
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Old 10-12-2009, 10:24 AM
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

If there is any reason for the similar symbols, I believe it simply is because Ganondorf gave Zant his garbs. Therefore is has some Gerudo-ish symbols on it. IMO, clothing on a Twili seems to be a symbol in itself of nobility. Zant is dressed head to toe in cloth and a helmet/mask. Midna, in her true form, wears a hood and skirt. However Twili commoners we see, in their unaltered form, have no clothing of any kind. (They may appear to be, but if you look closely, it's really just their skin tone/markings) So, when Ganondorf shared powers with Zant so he may claim lordship over Twili, he also gave him clothing.
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That's what everyone first says, but Zant's wearing it before he meets Ganon.
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That's what everyone first says, but Zant's wearing it before he meets Ganon.
Ah yeah, you're right. Not sure how I missed that. Hmm... I must rethink.
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Old 10-12-2009, 06:56 PM
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holy crap! look at the hilt of WW Ganon's swords! They look like Midna's head thing, or the fused shadows! Let me guess... its old news?
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Old 10-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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holy crap! look at the hilt of WW Ganon's swords! They look like Midna's head thing, or the fused shadows! Let me guess... its old news?
it's a strech, but I see where you're coming from
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Old 10-13-2009, 07:50 AM
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I always though they made Zant's robes similar to WW Ganondorf's so people would think Zant was Ganondorf, before it's finally revealed who he is... I mean, they avoid calling Zant by his name until the point where his face is revealed (Midna calls him "the king of light and shadow", or something like this, a couple of times before finally calling him by name), and he does bear a striking resemblance to WW Ganondorf...
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:55 AM
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it's a strech, but I see where you're coming from
I dont think its too much of a stretch. the top of the fused shadow looks just like the hilt

Well, I guess Ganon's hilt swirl outward at the top, while the helmet/fused shadow goes inward. I'm just wondering if Nintendo meant to do it this way. I mean, when making these games, they don't just glance at a picture once and toss it in, they spend a LONG time designing, redesigning, and see each little thing over and over til its done. If it were a coincidence, wouldn't you think they would notice when drawing out the design for the fused shadow? "wow, I seem to be drawing something I've seen before..." Especially with the eye on the fused shadow, it looks just like the eyes on Majora's Mask. I'm not going to say its impossible, but that its highly unlikely the creators didnt at least stop and say "hey, that looks just like Majora's Mask/ Ganon's sword hilt." And if they DID do that, then they left it as is for a reason... And if Majora's Mask has Sheikah origins, as many have proposed, then the Twili really are mysterious... There seem to be constant Gerudo and Sheikah references, including the use of those symbols in the Twilight Palace thing. So it is said the Gerudo go into Hyrule Market in search of boyfriends eh? What type of people would the Gerudo be after? Get what I'm saying?
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Re: Zant and WW Ganon's Gerudo Symbol

Sheikah--Twili--Gerudo connections are everywhere, and they all just happen to be the races we know the least about...

Maybe it's leading up to an epic future plot , like in Zelda Wii? (I can dream can't I ? )
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So maybe the Fused Shadow is the combined evil magic of the Gerudo, the Twili, the Sheikah,
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So maybe the Fused Shadow is the combined evil magic of the Gerudo, the Twili, the Sheikah,
Majora...
And David coperfield.
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And David coperfield.
You need to post more. I've missed this xD
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