ALttP and the Oracles

An old woman in ALttP says:

Long ago a prosperous people,
known as the Hylians, inhabited
this land...

Who is living in Hyrule in ALttP?
We know that some of the Hyruleans are part Hylian, such as Link, the
descendants of the Sages, and the Royal Family. But if most people are
either not Hylian or barely Hylian anymore, then there must have been
another race who came to Hyrule after OoT. In OoT all the "white" people
appear to be Hylians...

Who the heck came to Hyrule that replaced most of Hylians (or bred with them)?

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Also, do you think there is any intent with Holodrum matching the LoZ map
indicating that OoS comes before OoA?

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Who is living in Hyrule in ALttP?
We know that some of the Hyruleans are part Hylian, such as Link, the
descendants of the Sages, and the Royal Family. But if most people are
either not Hylian or barely Hylian anymore, then there must have been
another race who came to Hyrule after OoT. In OoT all the "white" people
appear to be Hylians...

Who the heck came to Hyrule that replaced most of Hylians (or bred with them)?

We know there are outlying countries with non-Hylians, and Holodrum and Labrynna are just two. There's also Gamelon and Koridai...

Also, do you think there is any intent with Holodrum matching the LoZ map
indicating that OoS is the first game (and OoA is the second)?

I think that the similarities are just remnants from the LoZ remake part of development, although it may be of note that tMC, LoZ, and OoS share fairly exclusive similarities in general. I don't see how OoX could be early with the TF outside the SR and in control of the Royal Family though. EDIT: It also may be worth figuring out when the MS was added to OoS, as the location would match up with LttP if LoZ and LttP are the same place as well, possibly validating (at some point in development) the OoX MS.

Sorry. I didn't mean to suggest OoX was the first game in the series,
just asking if the LoZ connection implied OoS/OoA as in LoZ/AoL.
(Instead of OoA/OoS)

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Sorry. I didn't mean to suggest OoX was the first game in the series,
just asking if the LoZ connection implied OoS/OoA as in LoZ/AoL.

the manual implies that by describing Link's discovery of the TF in OoS but skipping straight to "awoke in a forest" in OoA.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Who the heck came to Hyrule that replaced most of Hylians (or bred with them)?

Ordon appears to contain a high concentration of "round-eared" humans. With this, I suppose that the non-Hylians originated from whatever is to the south of Hyrule.

Okay so there are round-eared people in surrounding countries... but did they just breed with
the Hylians, or did something happen to diminish the Hylian population?

I reckon just interbreeding- there's still Hylian traits dotted around the place, high ears, piercing blue eyes, fair skin, pointy noses all that.

Maybe the other countries were like Europe, who almost got rid of the natives when they came to North America. In this case, the "outside" countries would have invaded Hyrule and made an attempt to get rid of the Hylians in order to claim that land for themselves.

Holodrum and Labrynna are populated by Humans

In TP, which comes after Oot (when Hyrule was 100% Hylian), there are a couple Humans hanging around, kind of interesting to know that they will one day take over Hyrule, and those Hylians seemed to have a pretty good civilization going in Castle Town and everything...

Other timeline, in WW Hylians are rare again (hence Ganon kidnapping all girls with "long ears" just think if he tried that approach in Oot )

So pretty much Hylians are doomed (whats the evolutionary advantage of having slightly longer ears anyways?)

In ALttP it talks about how the seal war basically diminished Hylians. Over time, humans just came and took over. Maybe with the flood (if we're taking a AT side here) or something huge happens on the CT like the seal war. Or, for double ALttP, both.

Who is living in Hyrule in ALttP?

Humans. TThe Hylia have died out by that point.

Also, do you think there is any intent with Holodrum matching the LoZ map
indicating that OoS comes before OoA?

1. OoS was originally going to be a remake of LoZ so of coarse the maps match. Holodrum match es better in parts of AoL Hyrule though.

2. How the hell does that mean OoS comes before OoA?

Originally Posted by Pinecove

How the hell does that mean OoS comes before OoA?

It doesn't but if OoA matches the AoL map, then it could be implied.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

It doesn't but if OoA matches the AoL map, then it could be implied.

OoA does match 1 part of the AoL map to an extend that I wouldn't call coincidence.

I don'T agree with the Holodrum part of the map, but this is the easiest way to show which part I mean.

There is even a secret passage fromt he small island (cesent island) to the grave yard in both games. And there is a swamp whith ruins where Ambis castle once stood. Towns match up roughly too, so do the two rivers and the second swamp...basicly everything.
There is also a place called spectacle island in labrynna roughly where spectacle mountain was in AoL (aöthough this is probably just a tribute most likley).

So, if everyone in Minish Cap is Hylian, it's not likely to come after
ALttP or WW...

Between OoT and ALttP, a gang of thieves used Kakariko as a hideout,
maybe the wanted poster in TP depicts their leader - Blind the thief...?

I wonder if the dwarven smithy relates to MC Link's house at all...

I just started playing the SNES version of ALttP, and although I prefer
the wording in the GBA version, I have to say that a lot of specific
information gets lost from the SNES version, for example the kid
who tells you Sahasrahla's location reveals that he is Sahasrahla's
grandson. There are other more relevant things I have found as well

Originally Posted by Cukeman

So, if everyone in Minish Cap is Hylian, it's not likely to come after
ALttP or WW...

Between OoT and ALttP, a gang of thieves used Kakariko as a hideout,
maybe the wanted poster in TP depicts their leader - Blind the thief...?

I wonder if the dwarven smithy relates to MC Link's house at all...

I just started playing the SNES version of ALttP, and although I prefer
the wording in the GBA version, I have to say that a lot of specific
information gets lost from the SNES version, for example the kid
who tells you Sahasrahla's location reveals that he is Sahasrahla's
grandson. There are other more relevant things I have found as well

Can you please tell me or show me proof everyone in MC is Hylian. Because, if you can back it up, your on to something.

Originally Posted by Watties

Can you please tell me or show me proof everyone in MC is Hylian. Because, if you can back it up, your on to something.

They're called 'humans' in-game, if that means anything to you.

Doesn't everyone in MC have pointy ears? I mean, IIRC there are zero round ears...

EDIT: IMO Hylians, Gerudo, Sheikah, non-Hylians are all humans...
I mean English, African, and Mexican are all humans, just different races...

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Between OoT and ALttP, a gang of thieves used Kakariko as a hideout,
maybe the wanted poster in TP depicts their leader - Blind the thief...?

Blind was probably closer to the ALttP era. If I recall correctly, FSA, a game that seemingly leads into ALttP, features thieves moving out of Kakariko.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

I just started playing the SNES version of ALttP, and although I prefer the wording in the GBA version, I have to say that a lot of specific information gets lost from the SNES version, for example the kid
who tells you Sahasrahla's location reveals that he is Sahasrahla's
grandson.

That's actually an error. In the Japanese version, the kid used a respectful term for old man when talking about Sahasrahla.

Still, the ending would make more sense if it was his grandson, since the boy and
the old woman are shown being reunited with Sahasrahla

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

In the Japanese version, the kid used a respectful term for old man when talking about Sahasrahla.

Yes, Chinese also has a respectful term for "old man", which is interchangeable with "grandfather". It could very easily be mistranslated.