OoX Master Sword?

I was wondering if the Master Sword that you obtain in OoX is really the same one that you receive in ALttP, OoT, TWW & TP? Is there any real proof to say that they are/aren't?
Your Input will be appreciated.

There is nothing in game that says its a different blade, so why say its different?

The OoX Master Sword is never given any importance in the story or referred to by other characters. It can also be found in six different ways, meaning that none of the methods are really solid. Finally, The OoX Master Sword is completely optional.

My stance is that the OoX Master Sword isn't canon.

Even if you feel that way, it IS in the game though. Personally, i find the act of retrieving it from a similar location as past games (ALttP,TP, Even SCII) Which is in the Forest can lend a hand as to where to place these 2 games, OoX MS Is quite useful to its location.

It would have to be after ALttP Since it is in that specific Pedestal by the end of it and Ganon is Dead (setting up his revival in OoX)

The Master Sword has no storyline significance in OoZ and there are 8 different ways of getting it, so it's pobably not canon as it is also completely optional.

In other words, I agree with Average Gamer.

I must of missed the memo that optional now means not canon because I have no idea why all these people are pulling this out of their asses.

If it's in game and not an obvious cameo, it's canon. No exceptions Mr. Pick-and-Choosers.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

I must of missed the memo that optional now means not canon because I have no idea why all these people are pulling this out of their asses.

If it's in game and not an obvious cameo, it's canon. No exceptions Mr. Pick-and-Choosers.

QFT

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

My stance is that the OoX Master Sword isn't canon.

he's not asking if the sword is canon, he's asking if its the same Master sword

@ Triforce of the Gods: What exceptions?

If the Master Sword is canon, then OoZ has a higher chance of being on the CT, but if it isn't, then it has an equal chance of being on either timeline. It really doesn't matter whether it's canon or not.

Originally Posted by Kael

QFT

I agree that optional =/= non-canon, but the OoX MS is truly not canon.

he's not asking if the sword is canon, he's asking if its the same Master sword

The whole point is that there effectively is no MS in OoX. It's just a sprite and a name, not the actual entity. I don't feel inclined to vote as the options stand at this point, because one implies that there are two Masterswords and the other implies that the OoX MS is canon and important, which it is not.

Originally Posted by Slagr

I don't feel inclined to vote as the options stand at this point, because one implies that there are two Masterswords and the other implies that the OoX MS is canon and important, which it is not.

My sentiments exactly.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

The OoX Master Sword is never given any importance in the story or referred to by other characters.

Neither is it in TP.

It can also be found in six different ways, meaning that none of the methods are really solid.

Only four actually, although inevitably the sword is one of two. (And there are two games, with two possible orders.)

We cannot say that it is "not important" since it is part of the "trading sequence" of this game, and the sword has a history in both games. In OoS, it is the "sacred sword" found in the Lost Woods; in OoA, it is the "broken sword" given to the old Zora by a hero.

Finally, The OoX Master Sword is completely optional.

Optional =/= proper part of the universe.

Otherwise Happy Mask Salesman in OoT =/= canon.

If it's in game and not an obvious cameo, it's canon. No exceptions Mr. Pick-and-Choosers.

I argue it is an obvious cameo. Your turn

Neither is it in TP.

"That... is that... the Master Sword?"
"An impressive looking blade- nothing more"

Otherwise Happy Mask Salesman in OoT =/= canon.

I agree. Well, I agree to the extent that Link's dealings with him can't be storyline affecting. He's there whether you speak to him or not, so HE is canon, but there's no reason to think in-game-story that Link actually traded masks with him. If it is the same HMS in MM then implications are the trading didn't happen as he shows no sign of knowing Link prior to MM. The methods of retrieving/powering the swords are there in OoX- but we know it's POSSIBLE to do that from PH and tMC- the fact of Link actually doing the quest and receiving the sword is what can not be storyline affecting.

If the sword is canon, shouldn't there be a canon method of obtaining it? And this method would inevitably make the games work in a certain order, in detriment to the other... So I also think it's just an obvious cameo...

Originally Posted by MetaLinkA

I was wondering if the Master Sword that you obtain in OoX is really the same one that you receive in ALttP, OoT, TWW & TP? Is there any real proof to say that they are/aren't?
Your Input will be appreciated.

Well, in OoS, the sword is found in a forest. For you theorists relying purely on geography, this should be made canon for you. I think it should have had more significance in the game, but the fact is that if you can get it, use it, and more easily damage Ganon with it, it's canon imo. And the forest thing also leans me towards a canon, even though I still don't like the idea of geography = all.

*Agrees with Watties*

Look, it makes sense that if Nintendo put the MS In the game (OoX) And it is referenced, and it is an encouraged side-quest (since you beat Ganon easier with it), it seems natural that the Hero would retrieve it. [Natural]

It IS the MS (Found in Same locations as TP/ALttP), It IS Canon (for the simple fact that it is encouraged and Useful), and it Does place OoX on the Child timeline (Come on, Ganon is REVIVED; Not the human gerudo Ganondorf, but GANON... Possibly from ALttP... Makes more sense that way... plus, Twinrova being in the game...)

OoT/MM-TP
-----&-----
OoT-WW/PH

These are the indesputable Canon order of these games

then we add on a few facts like...
ALttP/LA--OoX
And then we have an even more concrete time order. It Works.

So the main sagas of Zelda would be...

OoT/MM-TP
OoT-WW/PH
ALttP/LA-OoX
MC-FS/FSA
And LoZ/AoL

All thanks to this "MS Cameo"

An impressive-looking blade...
But nothing more.

I'm sure Ganondorf was referring to his own rather large sword when he said this.
The second part of the quote is:

Would you hear my desire?
To take this foul blade...and use
it to blot out the light forever!

The MS is not a foul blade, and it would not blot out the light, but a dark sword could.

Originally Posted by Watties

Well, in OoS, the sword is found in a forest. For you theorists relying purely on geography, this should be made canon for you. I think it should have had more significance in the game, but the fact is that if you can get it, use it, and more easily damage Ganon with it, it's canon imo. And the forest thing also leans me towards a canon, even though I still don't like the idea of geography = all.

the forest is only one method of obtaining it, and it still doesn't make sense unless you have the ToT in Holodrum or Holodrum is Hyrule. The fact that it hurts Ganon more than the Noble Sword isn't indicative of it being the MS but more that it is more powerful than the NS, like the Magic Sword or something.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

The MS is not a foul blade, and it would not blot out the light, but a dark sword could.

The sword Ganondorf uses is not foul either, nor is it a dark sword... It was wielded by the Sages, after all... Ganondorf's quote is just ambiguous and awkward...

Originally Posted by Slagr

the forest is only one method of obtaining it, and it still doesn't make sense unless you have the ToT is Holodrum or Holodrum is Hyrule. The fact that it hurts Ganon more than the Noble Sword isn't indicative of it being the MS but more that it is more powerful than the NS, like the Magic Sword or something.

Correct it's only one way, but seriously, calling it cameo just means your too lazy to think = bad theorist.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

I'm sure Ganondorf was referring to his own rather large sword when he said this.
The second part of the quote is:

And just why would Ganondorf call his own Sword impressive 'But nothing more. '? He was obviously mocking Links sword, and saying that about the sword he himself is wielding would just be out of context.

The word he says there needs to be meant towards Link and his Master Sword, for several reason such as Ganondorf didn't know the actual name of the sword, and apparently didn't even know the true might behind it hence his saying "An impressive-looking blade... But nothing more. "

This is one of the greatest ingame evidence towards the split, as it confirms that the Ganon in TP knew nothing about the HoT or his Master Sword, thus separating him from his WW parallel who recognizsed the MS immediately.

Originally Posted by Cukeman

The MS is not a foul blade, and it would not blot out the light, but a dark sword could.

Obviously, he is no longer talking about about the "impressive looking blade" anymore. He started a whole new sentence with "Would you hear my desire?" - and then goes on to rant about the sword which has actually caused him so much pain when the sages stabbed him with it.

Impressive looking blade ≠ foul blade, as they mentioned in difference sentences and in whole different contexts.