Twilit Mask of Time's Timeline Theory

This is a rather unusual timeline theory but i think it does a lot to explain connections between the games.
/ WW- PH- ST- AolBS-Loz-AoL- OoX\
MC- OOT ---------------------------------------------- ------LA
\MM-FS-FSA-TP- (Zwii?)- ALttp-OoY /
The Minish Cap comes first, obviously arguable, but plausible,
OOT- Duh

AT:
WW/PH follow Oot

ST- 100 yrs after PH - obviously not set in stone the game could change the order

AOLBS- any other time in which the triforce is split, up creates serious flaws

Loz - the master sword is gone after WW, and its potential dislodging from ganondorf's head, (will get into later) leads to the appearance of Ganon in the Loz/AoL

OoA-OoS- now I'm assuming that the MS in OOX is canon because while its not necesary to beat ganon, doing it with out it is a royal pain, additionally, there are 2 ways to get the master Sword, from a Zora, who found it in the Water (WW ending much?) and from the Forest (TP/Alttp?)

CT:
MM: duh

FS/FSA- this explains how a "new ganon" was born, and solves the potential problem with mirrors if the dark mirror and Mirror of Twilight are the same (still have no opinion on that one) Also, it helps solidify the single ganon theory, which i generally support. Its the same gannon from Oot, he just doesn't get the Triforce, After being sealed in the FS they decide to execute him.

TP- this is where it gets a bit fuzzier
ganon arguably dies at the end,
I believe that the Triforce stayed in the Sacred realm and the powers granted were much like the AoL crest on Links hand,

ZWii?- no real proof of this, just a feeling since, the appearence of ganon in Alttp is still unexplained

Alttp- this is the weakest piont of the timeline
I don't really have an explaination for how ganon got into the DW, the triforce (theoretically anyway) is still there though)

OoS-OoA- this unifies the timeline, the triforce is present in the Alttp ending, and in addition to the MS coming from the forest in the opening of the two games, one starts on water, while they other starts on land, which leads one to believe that they are on seperate timelines.

LA: this is the last game (so far) it solves the question of where it goes because it follows AoL, ALttP, OOX and OOY solving much of the controversy here

This is my Timeline theory IK its not perfect,
Alternatively to resolve the Alttp issue, i would put it as

/ WW- PH- ST- AolBS-Loz-AoL- OoX \
- OOT ---------------------------------------------- LA- MC-FS-FSA-ALttp
\ MM-- TP- (Zwii?)-- OoY/

the MS is still in the forest in TPand this solves many of the geography issues, which i was previously ignoring, Under this theory, OOZ created the Trident, allowing it to become a vessel of Ganon's spirit, leading to FSA/Alttp

there are 2 ways to get the master Sword, from a Zora, who found it in the Water (WW ending much?) and from the Forest (TP/Alttp?)

Actually there are six.

OOY- this unifies the timeline, the triforce is present in the Alttp ending, and in addition to the MS coming from the forest in the opening of the two games, one starts on water, while they other starts on land, which leads one to believe that they are on seperate timelines.

They can not be on separate timelines. One leads into the other. They can both happen on both if you so wish, but they NEED to be on the same timeline as the ending with Ganon requires them to be played in sequence with the same Link. They are as much one narrative as tWW and PH are. Moreso, in fact.

if i do recall don't all the ways of getting the master sword still require it to be from A. the zora, or B. the Forest?

and if they are both on both timelines couldn't the different playing orders, with the different intros, be what unifies them?

Originally Posted by River Zora

Actually there are six.

Make that eight.

They can not be on separate timelines. One leads into the other. They can both happen on both if you so wish, but they NEED to be on the same timeline as the ending with Ganon requires them to be played in sequence with the same Link. They are as much one narrative as tWW and PH are. Moreso, in fact.

He's right Twikight mask. If you really want to keep it like that you should use

....OoA/OoS
................\
.................LA
................/
....OoS/OoA

It makes remote sense that way. But I don't think it's likley

Ways of getting the Master Sword in the Oracles:

-Found in Holodrum's Lost Woods.
-An existing sword is sharpened by King Zora.
-Given broken by an old Zora who says a hero gave it to his ancestors long ago and then repaired by a mountain Hermit.
-Given as thanks for clearing room full of enemies by underground old man behind the Clock Shop.
-Received from Farore in Labrynna.
-Received from Farore in Holodrum.

I am unaware of the two to take it up to 8, bitter...?

Originally Posted by River Zora

Ways of getting the Master Sword in the Oracles:

-Found in Holodrum's Lost Woods.
-An existing sword is sharpened by King Zora.
-Given broken by an old Zora who says a hero gave it to his ancestors long ago and then repaired by a mountain Hermit.
-Given as thanks for clearing room full of enemies by underground old man behind the Clock Shop.
-Received from Farore in Labrynna.
-Received from Farore in Holodrum.

I am unaware of the two to take it up to 8, bitter...?

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...ead-brain.html

Gosh I must have been mad to look so deep into that convulted thing.
Edit: Old thread is old. No posting in it. K, thx, bai.

Ah, gotcha. You take the order and practical meaning rather than method- I like it- it makes it even less likely looking that way

The whole 'picking a way to be canon to explain after tWW' seems nigh on entirely biased to me. I honestly don't see how the appearance can be canon, or at the very least can be the actual master Sword rather than just a different one. Maybe if there're so many ways, all are canon and they are all the different fake versions that appear in the Lost Woods in aLttP?

To me Twinrova+Ocean Zoras= enough evidence to overpower any theoretical Link to other games (inc LoZ)

Well the Idea was that the Linking of the games effectively merged the Timelines

Well the Idea was that the Linking of the games effectively merged the Timelines

Doesn't quite work. Then they'd both have to happen before the other. Either they both happen on both sides, or they don't merge.

well either way a merge would still be plausable

as for Twinrova, on the AT she said she was gonna haunt him
in addition, as for the Zora, they are in completely different lands,
so there apperance isn't an indicator in any way

Originally Posted by River Zora

Ah, gotcha. You take the order and practical meaning rather than method- I like it- it makes it even less likely looking that way

The whole 'picking a way to be canon to explain after tWW' seems nigh on entirely biased to me. I honestly don't see how the appearance can be canon, or at the very least can be the actual master Sword rather than just a different one. Maybe if there're so many ways, all are canon and they are all the different fake versions that appear in the Lost Woods in aLttP?

To me Twinrova+Ocean Zoras= enough evidence to overpower any theoretical Link to other games (inc LoZ)

I was just showing that the majority of the ways don't make sense. Only 1 way per order makes coherent sence. So this can be either used to argue for or against it's canonity.
I don't really care. I'm just glad I got through that mess once so it's now more or less clear to people who want the info.

Originally Posted by River Zora

Doesn't quite work. Then they'd both have to happen before the other. Either they both happen on both sides, or they don't merge.

Exactly what I meant

How can timelines merge? At some point, I can imagine that they would 'match up', but shouldn't
they each just continue in their own reality? I mean, they'd be EXACTLY parallel from that point
on, but why a merge?

________Different____________Same__________
OoT
________Different____________Same__________

because it brings back simplicity and it kind of fixes Zelda's "mistake" of sending link back in time, and if you look at my second timeline idea, it helps solve the problem of games that seem to have aspects of both tiemlines such as Alttp

Considering WW/PH and TP, I don't think it was a "mistake" at all.
But suit yourself...

Timeline merging is kind of strange... I mean, if someone of this merged timeline tries to get some info about the past from a perfectly trustful source (some kind of oracle, for example), will he get two different versions of the past?

There can only be one past for any point in the present, so merging timelines is just wrong... They could match up an run parallel though...

Nintendo should come up with something where a Link needs to get sent to the future again, but it ends up in the AT instead of the CT. That would be so complex, it would be fun. And maybe it can be the seal war 0_o. They'd need to add more of a story to it, because the whole going to the future and killing something and leaving it alive in the past is completely retarded, but it could work. Maybe someone knew about the split and needed to get Link to the AT because there was no hero left there, (the hero of wind's bloodline was somehow slaughtered).

^ Sorry, that belongs in future Zelda and fan fiction, but we were on the subject of splits and then merging and I started a rant lol.

Obviously the pasts would sort of merge as well and it covers all of the inconsistencies though. How would the Master Sword Survive on the AT? why is the map so different in AlttP and FSA vs. everything else, not that i give geography a high rank of importance, It Explains the MC BS better, because in a sense then Minish cap is "first" and it explains alot of the things like the oracles, the oracle books, even arguably the appearance of the WW shield, point being that game is backed with stuff from pasted games

Originally Posted by Twilit Mask of Time

Obviously the pasts would sort of merge as well

So, a 12-year-old man saved a half-flooded Hyrule, which was then half-erased at the end, while Ganondorf half-turned to stone?

and it covers all of the inconsistencies though.

It actually creates a lot more.

How would the Master Sword Survive on the AT?

It doesn't.

why is the map so different in AlttP and FSA vs. everything else, not that i give geography a high rank of importance,

The maps are different so people don't get bored of the same layout of Hyrule. The maps of FSA and ALttP are similar for nostalgic reasons.

It Explains the MC BS better, because in a sense then Minish cap is "first" and it explains alot of the things like the oracles, the oracle books, even arguably the appearance of the WW shield, point being that game is backed with stuff from pasted games

All this "evidence" you just gave for TMC being first is nothing but cameos and graphical similarities.

All this "evidence" you just gave for TMC being first is nothing but cameos and graphical similarities.

Which is exactly what all placements beyond tWW/TP re based upon! [/cynicism]

The master sword can survive. Saying it doesn't is like saying things can be recovered from under the sea, well guess what, things are recovered from under the sea all the time, including in that game. If Hyrule un-floods, then it's blatantly obvious the MS can be recovered somehow, from Ganon's head.