Dragon Roost Island vs Fire Mountain

While playing TWW, I remembered something from awhile back. There was a debate about Dragon Roost Island once being Death Mountain and it was a very common belief that the two were one in the same.

However, I disagreed and still do. I believe Death Mountain is in fact Fire Mountain, the island just a wee bit south of Dragon Roost. Now, I'm not saying Dragon Roost isn't possible, as there's evidence to support it. Still, a few pieces of other evidence that were popular arguments can be countered.

- Bomb Flowers: This was the most common argument I saw. These can be found in many places outside of Dragon Roost Island as well though, like Forest Haven (the Forbidden Woods, to be precise). Another thing, if I remember right, no bomb flowers were found at Death Mountain's peak, and if Dragon Roost were to be that mountain, it would have to be the peak itself. Thirdly, any bomb flowers that were on Death Mountain were probably destroyed in the flood.

- Similar location: Obviously, Fire Mountain is in a similar location as well.

- Volcano: Honestly, Fire Mountain is more of a volcano than Dragon Roost Island. Like Death Mountain, Fire Mountain is active. Seen any lava spew from Dragon Roost? Nope, I haven't.

- Importance: I hated when people used this argument. Both Dragon Roost and Fire Mountain are equally important. Dragon Roost has a dungeon and pearl while Fire Mountain has an item that leads you to a Triforce Chart and another dungeon.

As for what other evidence I have supporting Fire Mountain being Death Mountain, it would be this.

- No bomb flowers at the peak
- Similar appearance to Death Mountain, which could have possibly eroded at the top into the small size Fire Mountain took due to the water
- Not too tall, unlike Dragon Roost (which has to be like twice Death Mountain's height)
- Location of the Power Bracelets. Did Death Mountain not have the Goron's Bracelet in OoT? This gave Young Link more strength as well. Were the Power Bracelets made by the Gorons too? Who knows.

And that's really it. Discuss.

Dragon Roost Island = Death Mountain proper
Fire Island = lower Death Mountain

Same place, different parts of a huge large mountain and its volcano.

And how do you figure that?

And it's Fire MOUNTAIN. Not island. I'm sick of people calling it island when it's mountain. At first, I didn't care, but then it seemed like I was the only one who even used its correct name.

Death Mountain should still be way about sea level due to his sheer size, as is with Dragon Roost. Also, explain the ring and spectacle rock and the cevern. Oh, and the Goron statues and Valoo as being part of Dragon Roost, noting that the Gorosn and Volvagia lived in Death Mountain.

Due to the close proximity between Dragon Roost and Fire Oasis, they will both be part of the overall mountain by default, the former being the proper mountain itself.

I don't remember seeing any Goron statues or Spectacle Rock on Dragon Roost. Sorry.

As for the ring, that was caused by Ganondorf. Notice how it vanished after you finished Dragon Roost Cavern? Death Mountain still kept a cloud ring even after you completed the dungeons there. I also think I recall Fire Mountain having its own cloud ring as well.

Also, Death Mountain would be above sea level, but it was no where NEAR as high as Dragon Roost is.

You can go inside Fire Mountain's little cavern too.

Volcano: Honestly, Fire Mountain is more of a volcano than Dragon Roost Island. Like Death Mountain, Fire Mountain is active. Seen any lava spew from Dragon Roost? Nope, I haven't.

TWW is some 100 or so years after OoT, yes? Right. Over a period of 100 years, it's very easy for a volcano to die down for a time. For all we know, some time after TWW, it could have become active again.
Volcanoes have an on-off nature, so this point doesn't stand all too well.

I believe the Death Mountain is a chain of mountains, of which the two islands are part of. Yes, Crystal, as of WW, Fire Mountain IS an island, so we can call it that.

Is it not possible for Death Mountain to have had more than one volcano before the flood?

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse

I believe the Death Mountain is a chain of mountains, of which the two islands are part of. Yes, Crystal, as of WW, Fire Mountain IS an island, so we can call it that.

I never said it wasn't an island. I meant to say it doesn't have the word island in its name.

Originally Posted by BrokenWing

TWW is some 100 or so years after OoT, yes? Right. Over a period of 100 years, it's very easy for a volcano to die down for a time. For all we know, some time after TWW, it could have become active again.
Volcanoes have an on-off nature, so this point doesn't stand all too well.

Ah yes, you're right, Dave. My other points still stand though. Oh, and TWW is hundreds of years after, as stated by Daphnes in game.

And Death Mountain isn't plural, meaning ONE mountain.

When a volcano erupts, the lava hardens after a while. The lava that is still on the volcano would harden to increase its size, but at the same time shrink its mouth. This could possibly cause a volcano to go from something rounded and short like Death Mountain in OoT to something tall and relatively sharp like Dragon Roost Island in WW.

This is what I believe.

In TP:
- Goron Mines = Dragon Roost Cavern
- The Goron's hot spring is the Rito spring that was plugged up by a boulder in WW

The Goron statues must be pushed aside to enter Dragon Roost Cavern

I'm not sure either of those islands are Death Mountain. The Gorons in WW come from a far away land, one that Link cannot visit in the game. Sure, it's possible that the Gorons left Death Mountain during the flooding, although this doesn't make much since, considering that they would probably want to stay on top of the mountain if Hyrule was being flooded. I think what's left of Death Mountain is far away from anywhere Link can travel in the game.

I always thought that dragon roost and fire mountain were the 'spectacle rock' part of Death Mountain.

Dragon Roost is quite obviously intended to be Death Mountain. As people have already stated, there are Goron Statues, and the fact that Dragon Roost and Death Mountain line up nearly perfectly when comparing OoT and WW maps, there isn't much to disprove the theory. Fire Mountain is likely part of the Death Mountain range (yes, I'm pretty sure someone in OoT mentions Death Mountain range, meaning many mountains).

Also, mountain ranges in real life often have more than one singular mountain, but are named as a single mountain (eg. Mount Kilimanjaro). So saying that Death Mountain restricts it to being a single mountain is false.

Originally Posted by Crystal

- Volcano: Honestly, Fire Mountain is more of a volcano than Dragon Roost Island. Like Death Mountain, Fire Mountain is active. Seen any lava spew from Dragon Roost? Nope, I haven't.

Well, Wind Waker takes place a ridiculously long time after Ocarina, so it might have cooled down.

- Importance: I hated when people used this argument. Both Dragon Roost and Fire Mountain are equally important. Dragon Roost has a dungeon and pearl while Fire Mountain has an item that leads you to a Triforce Chart and another dungeon.

In the first place, I wouldn't call this too much of an argument, but the other locations that are very important, such as Windfall and Forest Haven, are supposed to have some slightly obvious connections to previous Hyrulean locations. So, yeah.

But secondly, Fire Mountain is far from Dragonroost in terms of importance. The biggest thing is that Dragonroost has a population. Plus, once you visit Fire Mountain once, you're good. Dragonroost has a few activities that would warrant multiple visits.

- Location of the Power Bracelets. Did Death Mountain not have the Goron's Bracelet in OoT? This gave Young Link more strength as well. Were the Power Bracelets made by the Gorons too? Who knows.

Not a bad point.

Originally Posted by Crystal

I don't remember seeing any Goron statues or Spectacle Rock on Dragon Roost. Sorry.

I'm not sure where Spectacle Rock is on Death Mountain, but there are indeed Goron statues to the entrance of the Dragonroost Cavern.

As for the ring, that was caused by Ganondorf. Notice how it vanished after you finished Dragon Roost Cavern? Death Mountain still kept a cloud ring even after you completed the dungeons there. I also think I recall Fire Mountain having its own cloud ring as well.

See, that is very interesting.

[/QUOTE]Also, Death Mountain would be above sea level, but it was no where NEAR as high as Dragon Roost is.[/QUOTE]

Using the height of islands in WW is terribad. If you look at how far Hyrule Castle is from the Ocean during the cutscene where Link goes down to Hyrule for the first time, you will realize how exaggerated the size of EVERYTHING has become. No one can claim what the actual height of Death Mountain with it's base in Hyrule is any more, so that goes for everyone else trying to argue this in this topic.

Anyhow, I think it's pretty obvious that Dragonroost is intended to be Death Mountain, but it's kind of inconsequential as to which one is Death Mountain and which isn't.

Those statues didn't look much like Gorons to me. Plus, if Gorons lived there, why do they still not? We see Goron merchants in TWW, no?

Also, the only game that has had anything called Spectacle Rock on Death Mountain is ALttP, and I believe that game occurs way after TWW on the timeline.

Oh yeah, about the point of size. Didn't anyone read what I said about erosion? Listen, I'm a Geology major in college, and we already learned about volcanic rocks. Water can cause rock to erode. What are mountains made of? That's right, rock. Over time, the flood's water logically should have eroded Death Mountain, including its mouth, turning into the little island called Fire Mountain we know in TWW.

Originally Posted by Crystal

Also, the only game that has had anything called Spectacle Rock on Death Mountain is ALttP

No, zelda 1, 2, LA, OOT, TWW, TP and MM have it.

I highly doubt Nintendo factored in erosion.....
As plausible that it is that Fire Mountain could be Death Mountain, I think it is far more obvious that Dragon Roost was intended to represent Death Mountain.

Originally Posted by Quin

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No, zelda 1, 2, LA, OOT, TWW, TP and MM have it.

TWW has an ISLAND called Spectacle Island, which is nowhere near either mountain island.

I've never played Zelda 1 or 2, and not enough LA, so I'll give you that. Where was there any mention of Spectacle Rock in TP, OoT, or MM?

MM? I'm pretty sure Spectacle Rock isn't in MM Quin...
It wasn't in OoT or TP either...

I think it was in FSA though.