Dragon Roost Island vs Fire Mountain

Again, where is it in MM? If you're talking about Pinnacle Rock, that is completely different. Plus, MM wouldn't count anyway, seeing as it isn't even in Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Crystal

Again, where is it in MM?

O sorry that I'm not so fast typer as you your highness.
MM doesn't have it no, my mistake

In Twilight Princess, Spectacle Rock is found below Death Mountain, and is home to the mighty Goron race. The Goron Mines can be found within the interior of Spectacle Rock and the trail leading to the top spirals around the structure.

In Ocarina of Time, Spectacle Rock is located inside Death Mountain Crater in front of the entrance to the Fire Temple. Its appearance was more conic or heaped, and a Piece of Heart rested on top of one of the rocks. Volcanic smoke billowed out of the tips of each rock, though there were no natural chimney stacks visible at the peaks. It is evident from its structure and that of the Fire Temple that the upper floors of the Fire Temple extend into the interior of these two mounds.

^Where are those descriptions from?

I see...

That reminds me though, someone back during the UWM days, I think it was MoALttP, told me he saw a structure that looked like Spectacle Rock in Peak Province, not Death Mountain. This was where I had lined up TP's GC map with the Great Sea map and Spectacle Island was one of the islands Peak Province lined up with.

I found more sources saying pretty much the same, but I copy'd it from ZW.
Spectacle island in TWW is most likely the top of spectacle rock. But I'm not sure.

Impossible. I just said that island is nowhere near Dragon Roost or Fire Mountain, both of which we all are arguing are Death Mountain.

I guess it is possible that both are the correct answer.

I agree that Spectacle Island is probably just a homage to Spectacle Rock, rather than an indicator of SR's whereabouts on the Great Sea.

I have my doubts that Dragon Roost and Fire Mountain represent the two peaks of SR as well though...I personally believe that Dragon Roost is meant to represent Death Mountain, with Fire Mountain being a separate peak in the range.

Yeah, saying Spectacle Island and Spectacle Rock are the same is like saying Mother and Child Isles is Mother and Child Rock in Zora's Domain in TP when that VERY CLEARLY is not true. They simply have similar names.

I'd say they are both part of Death Mountain. And there is lava all throughout the Dragon Roost dungeon, so saying it isn't active is not necessarily true. Just because it isn't constantly erupting in-game, doesn't mean it isn't active. Also bomb flowers (the Gorons' special crop) grow like crazy on Dragon Roost, hinting strongly that Dragon Roost is Death Mountain.

And as for the Gorons, I suppose they relocated after the flood. They probably climbed the mountain to escape the flood, decided they couldn't live there any more, and sailed somewhere else (on rafts?). Makes sense to me.

Spectacle Rock was inside Death Mountain during Ocarina of Time, and seen thrusted (presumably naturally) out of the Mountain during Twilight Princess.

You know, the two large twin rocks around the the main Death Mountain area?

I always thought both Dragon Roost and Fire Mountain were both parts of the mountains Death Mountain was on. But I believe Dragon Roost is the mountain itself. I always tried to figure out why there would be two volcanoes in the world though. The last thing I wanted to assume was that they just threw another in there, which could be the reason. But that's boring.

I don't know anything about how volcanoes work, but couldn't the lava from Death Mountain have found another way out and formed Fire Mountain? That would explain why this relatively small Volcano exists nearby a rather tall mountain that contains lava. The magma flow could have redirected into a new opening. ...Unless lava can't form new volcanoes from under the water. Then this idea is shot.

Basically I think that Dragon Roost Island is the original Death Mountain, but since Valoo is sitting on the now closed up mouth of the volcano, the lava found a new way out, and thus Fire Mountain could TECHNICALLY be called a new Death Mountain. ...woot.

I figure that at this point neither is Death Mountain, but Death Mountain is in fact Goron Island from PH.

Neither Fire Mountain nor Dragon Roost Island has evidence of Gorons.

"Spectacle Rock" or similarly-named locations are only seen in LoZ, ALttP, and TWW. Other games have areas speculated to be Spectacle Rock, but the connection has never been confirmed.

Originally Posted by Crystal

Those statues didn't look much like Gorons to me. Plus, if Gorons lived there, why do they still not?

The same reason why Ritos, who evolved from the Zora, live in that general region instead of in a place that references Zora's River.

Oh yeah, about the point of size. Didn't anyone read what I said about erosion? Listen, I'm a Geology major in college, and we already learned about volcanic rocks. Water can cause rock to erode. What are mountains made of? That's right, rock. Over time, the flood's water logically should have eroded Death Mountain, including its mouth, turning into the little island called Fire Mountain we know in TWW.

That really doesn't matter. Applying real world logic to Zelda doesn't work.

And if you believe that Fire Mountain is just the eroded top of Death Mountain due to your knowledge of geology, then please explain where this titanic mountain now known as Dragonroost came from and why THAT mountain hasn't been wittled down or shown as many signs as erosion?

The other 48 islands in WW are referred to as mountaintops, too. Death Mountain is always the most gigantic thing in Hyrule, so why has THAT location been worn down when the other 48 islands haven't so much?

The Battler has a point. All the islands in The Wind Waker, everyone one, is a mountain top. Death Mountain was the biggest of the mountains in Hyrule. Therefore, Death Mountain wouldn;t become an island, but the smaller mountains would.

Basically, the water reduced all of Hyrule's mountain tops to islands when the water rose, but the biggest mountain - Death Mountain - would still be well above sea level and the water wouldn't reach its top. And you get Dragon Roost, the biggest and tallest island and mountain top.

If Dragon Roost wasn't Death Mountain and Fire Island was, that would mean, with all islands being mountain tops, Death Mountain was the smallest mountain, so small is barely peak the sea level. Yet, all the other mountains (islands) were bigger than Death Mountain?

There's one thing that we all can agree on: Dragon Roost was intended to be the Death Mountain. The maps line up nearly perfectly.

Besides, if Fire Mountain IS Death Mountain, what's Dragon Roost Island supposed to be from OOT?

I want to answer that, but is a little obscene.

Originally Posted by UltraLight

There's one thing that we all can agree on: Dragon Roost was intended to be the Death Mountain. The maps line up.

I don't agree with it.

Originally Posted by TwilitProphet

I don't know anything about how volcanoes work, but couldn't the lava from Death Mountain have found another way out and formed Fire Mountain? That would explain why this relatively small Volcano exists nearby a rather tall mountain that contains lava. The magma flow could have redirected into a new opening. ...Unless lava can't form new volcanoes from under the water. Then this idea is shot.

No, volcanoes can form in the water. How do you think Hawaii was formed? Heck, there's even volcanoes existing completely under water.

Dragon Roost Island could have formed later after the flood and just kept getting higher over the several hundred years between TWW and OoT. This is possible. Ever heard the story of the volcano that suddenly formed in the middle of some farmlands in Mexico?

oh yeah, I forgot about my extreme frustration with the fact that, according to Wind Waker, the entire land of Hyrule is nothing but evenly spaced mountain peaks. Someone didn't think things through when creating the game!

What also strikes me is that unlike other islands the Dragon Roost's music is not similar to death mountain as you might notice with Forest Haven and Kokiri Forest or Windfall Island and Kakariko Village. Although it is also known that Death Mountain is the tallest mountain in Hyrule which has me stumped.

The music doesn't matter, both the forest haven and outset have a remade kokiri forest music.