The Zora's -- A Connection (LoZ, ALttP)?

So, this thread is mainly going to talk about my personal best game ever (A Link to the Past) and the first LoZ.

Here we have corrupted zora's, that's right. Remember in ALttP trying to swim around nicely with the flippers and one of those little s**ts decides to come and start attacking you? Remember in LoZ just wandering around the world map, trying to find the first dungeon and one of those little s**ts comes up shooting little red things at us?

Well, with that I've concluded the LoZ and ALttP zora's are the same. But, how did they get this way? Does this connect ALttP and LoZ to be on the same timeline? Or, is it a natural change of those nice cuddly fuzzy creatures to little a*****es over time?Did humans or Hylians do something in the past to make them mad. Or, are there two different types of Zora's.

Now, I think in the flood, Zora's got pretty pushed around, even though water creatures. We see river zora's in Phantom Hourglass, and not in Twilight. This would lead to ALttP and LoZ being on the AT side.

But, what does everyone else think?

They're called River Zoras - we have one of them luarking in the theorizing forum. I think they were originally supposed to be called Zola, so it may be that they are another species of Zora, or related to/the same as the Fierce Zora from Phantom Hourglass.

"Zola" was an NoA mistranslation. They're River Zoras, according to OoA.
Also, PH (and from the trailers, ST) features "Fierce Zoras"...arguably the same as River Zoras, though they are armored.

Originally Posted by Potent Col

They're called River Zoras - we have one of them luarking in the theorizing forum. I think they were originally supposed to be called Zola, so it may be that they are another species of Zora, or related to/the same as the Fierce Zora from Phantom Hourglass.

Indeed, I was reading it was to be a girl named Zola, but in game there was too many inconcistensies and the official Zelda site got it wrong.

How to you think this is all connecting though?

Originally Posted by Watties

Indeed, I was reading it was to be a girl named Zola, but in game there was too many inconcistensies and the official Zelda site got it wrong.

I...but...That's it, I'm going to murder NoA. Who wants to join me?

OoX shows that River Zoras and Zoras coexist. If this places both LoZ and ALttP on the same timeline, it places OoX with them.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods
I...but...That's it, I'm going to murder NoA. Who wants to join me?

Ooh! Me, me! Pick me! I wanna murder NoA, too!

Anyways, I remember reading somewhere Shigeru Miyamoto saying that for Ocarina of Time, he wanted to make the Zora's a sort of anti-human race that rivaled the humans and Hylans. This might explain the game before it (LoZ, AoL, ALttP, LA) but it doesn't explain why they're like that in the other games.
Note: And don't ask me for a quote, I can't remember where I read that...

After thought: You know, this post probably didn't help at all...

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

I...but...That's it, I'm going to murder NoA. Who wants to join me?

OoX shows that River Zoras and Zoras coexist. If this places both LoZ and ALttP on the same timeline, it places OoX with them.

Not necessarily, OoX can exist on the CT, while the others are on the AT.
If they are on the AT, we know what happened, they evelved.

plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

Not necessarily, OoX can exist on the CT, while the others are on the AT.
If they are on the AT, we know what happened, they evelved.

I know, I'm saying his logic that the Zoras mean that they have to come on the same timeline is flawed if he says OoX doesn't. I don't believe they have to.

Personally, I hate OoX on the AT. It seems to fit better on the CT.

And disregarding races, aLttP could fit on the CT.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

I know, I'm saying his logic that the Zoras mean that they have to come on the same timeline is flawed if he says OoX doesn't. I don't believe they have to.

I know it isn't the best logic, but it does make sense. With FSA and ALttP already being confirmed and connected, with LA being an original intended sequel to ALttP, now replaced by OOX, and LoZ/AoL being an intended prequil to ALttP... all 6 have river zoras, which could be an evolved version of a "sea zora". But, it is interesting why these creatures are evil, and what sort of betrayal they went through. Did they feel betrayed by the gods by the great flood (WW-PH, of which PH having the armored river zoras)?

Originally Posted by Watties

I know it isn't the best logic, but it does make sense. With FSA and ALttP already being confirmed and connected, with LA being an original intended sequel to ALttP, now replaced by OOX, and LoZ/AoL being an intended prequil to ALttP... all 6 have river zoras, which could be an evolved version of a "sea zora". But, it is interesting why these creatures are evil, and what sort of betrayal they went through. Did they feel betrayed by the gods by the great flood (WW-PH, of which PH having the armored river zoras)?

I believe that the River Zora are a mutated strand from the Zora, and possible, Rito peoples.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

I believe that the River Zora are a mutated strand from the Zora, and possible, Rito peoples.

Same here. I think the mutation was due to the great flood. I don't know how the hell Goron's stayed the same, as they can't even swim. But, as seen in WW and PH, they exist. So I think ST will explain how the world un-floods. Everything goes back to normal for FSA yada yada yada, placing ALttP on the adult timeline.

Originally Posted by Watties

Same here. I think the mutation was due to the great flood. I don't know how the hell Goron's stayed the same, as they can't even swim. But, as seen in WW and PH, they exist. So I think ST will explain how the world un-floods. Everything goes back to normal for FSA yada yada yada, placing ALttP on the adult timeline.

Unless Nintendo pulls a Tiger Woods and places ST on the CT to bother us.
I kinda want it to happen now.

But yeah, I believe that ST will mention something about it.

If only MC had Rito or (peaceful) Zoras in it...

Originally Posted by Cukeman

If only MC had Rito or (peaceful) Zoras in it...

That is a very interesting point, as Minish Cap has neither river zoras, or normal zoras. Where does this fit in? Goron's are... but they don't live on the mountain, and it is suggested something tried to destroy their numbers. Has to take place before FS... interesting there. I still don't think it can preceed OoT though. I wonder if MC is the world after the flood, and they slowly work to builidng old Hyrule.

That just might be possible

Spirit Tracks will reveal all, my child.

Just got to wait for December 7.

But, what does everyone else think?

I think the OP should learn what apostrophes mean and are used for...

Spirit Tracks will reveal all, my child.

Potentially, but I doubt it...

As for Zoras- if we use the presence of the 'fierce' or 'river' Zora as evidence for either timeline beyond just enemies then all games must be on the AT, however Ocean Zoras survived somehow the flood simply by being in a different country... I think there is reasoning behind the presence of Zoras in either form- but not as simple as 'if they're there then they're AT'.

Originally Posted by River Zora

I think the OP should learn what apostrophes mean and are used for...


Potentially, but I doubt it...

As for Zoras- if we use the presence of the 'fierce' or 'river' Zora as evidence for either timeline beyond just enemies then all games must be on the AT, however Ocean Zoras survived somehow the flood simply by being in a different country... I think there is reasoning behind the presence of Zoras in either form- but not as simple as 'if they're there then they're AT'.

Phantom Hourglass and The Wind Waker preserved knowledge of the sages and Phantom Hourglass had Maze Island. Looking at this, Spirit Tracks will likely have the sage towns and northern Hyrule.

It isn't too early to place it, anyway- it's coming out in about two months, so it is pretty much set in stone for the post-Phantom Hourglass placment now. The map looks like part of the Advetnure of Link map, and there appear to be about 7 or something towns, if you examine the trailers closely.

Can I get a link to that map?