The Zora's -- A Connection (LoZ, ALttP)?

Well, here are screenshots of the trailer...
Likely to be what Potent was talking about are the GDC screenshots but they're really blurry so good luck trying to tell what's a town and what's not.

Originally Posted by Fitoleon

Well, here are screenshots of the trailer...
Likely to be what Potent was talking about are the GDC screenshots but they're really blurry so good luck trying to tell what's a town and what's not.

Hm, it is kind of similar to the AoL map.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

Hm, it is kind of similar to the AoL map.

Theroy is, like in Phantom Hourglass, there are three other maps, so it may make a large overworld consisting of four sections.

I've always been of the mind that OoX must occur on the CT because all the Zora became Rito. All that was left on the AT were Rito and River Zora. However, on the CT the friendly Zora never evolved, and River Zora have always been the same. OoX, in my mind, must occur on the CT.

A little off topic from the Zora talk, but OoX being on the CT also explains Ganondorf's death before the games begin. Link in TP killed him, and Twinrova, who never died on the CT (they were killed in OoT on the AT) come in to revive him after all these years.

Originally Posted by Sparty

I've always been of the mind that OoX must occur on the CT because all the Zora became Rito. All that was left on the AT were Rito and River Zora. However, on the CT the friendly Zora never evolved, and River Zora have always been the same. OoX, in my mind, must occur on the CT.

A little off topic from the Zora talk, but OoX being on the CT also explains Ganondorf's death before the games begin. Link in TP killed him, and Twinrova, who never died on the CT (they were killed in OoT on the AT) come in to revive him after all these years.

Makes sense, it's agreed. OoX is CT.

Hmm... there's no evidence of Zoras in MC, but MC must come before FSA (which has River Zoras)...

Is there any evidence that River Zoras exist during or after Wind Waker?

Originally Posted by Cukeman

Is there any evidence that River Zoras exist during or after Wind Waker?

PH and ST have what appear to be River Zoras.

Yeah, there's no evidence to suggest that River Zoras don't exist during or before OoT. We can probably assume they've always been around, just like most of the monsters and creatures of the Zelda world. There only so many we know are wiped out for good in some instances.

Zora - Become the Rito on the AT
Kokiri - Become the Koroks on the AT
The Sheikah - Either die out or their ways dwindle
Hylians - Their blood runs thin over time, evidenced on both timelines.

Anyone else have any other examples? I'm too tired to think of all there might be, if there are any more.

cuccos seem to disappear (or evolve into pigs)
lol

Originally Posted by Sparty

Yeah, there's no evidence to suggest that River Zoras don't exist during or before OoT. We can probably assume they've always been around, just like most of the monsters and creatures of the Zelda world. There only so many we know are wiped out for good in some instances.

Well, they don't exist in TP, or OoT, where we get to explore all of Hyrule.

In the flood some came to be Rito, some came to be river zoras.

Originally Posted by Watties

Well, they don't exist in TP, or OoT, where we get to explore all of Hyrule.

In the flood some came to be Rito, some came to be river zoras.

Just because we didn't see them in OoT and TP doesn't mean they didn't exist. It's like me saying, "Pandas don't exist. I've never seen one in real life, so they can't be real."

Because there are no Bokoblins in OoT, does that mean they don't exist around that time? Or maybe we just never chance upon them in that game.

Your argument holds no water.

Originally Posted by Sparty

Just because we didn't see them in OoT and TP doesn't mean they didn't exist. It's like me saying, "Pandas don't exist. I've never seen one in real life, so they can't be real."

Because there are no Bokoblins in OoT, does that mean they don't exist around that time? Or maybe we just never chance upon them in that game.

Your argument holds no water.

I know, but a lot of the theories on here don't, like ALttP only on the CT.

It's a theory, and seem to makes sense as well. Your right, but collecting information such as that would lead one to believing that Zora's transformed into two different beings after the flood. Get it... flood.... holds to water... sorry, chezzy joke

Originally Posted by River Zora

I think the OP should learn what apostrophes mean and are used for...


Potentially, but I doubt it...

As for Zoras- if we use the presence of the 'fierce' or 'river' Zora as evidence for either timeline beyond just enemies then all games must be on the AT, however Ocean Zoras survived somehow the flood simply by being in a different country... I think there is reasoning behind the presence of Zoras in either form- but not as simple as 'if they're there then they're AT'.

I think the Ocean Zora swam away to somewhere more pleasant for them (it is implied that the Great Sea is a dead ocean, that only supports hostile life forms).

Does anyone remember the Ruto Crown in PH? It said "This regal crown was once supposed to have been worn by a princess of Zoras." I think that seems to imply that people are aware of the Ocean Zoras, as well as the horrible creatures that appeared in PH (maybe they are the missing link between the Ocean and River Zoras?)

^ Exactly, and all this does is further help place ALttP on the AT, if not the double ALttP theory

Watties, I want you to pay attention to the following quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaconsock

You can't just tell someone that their theory is wrong (unless of course, there is evidence that 100% disproves it).

It says everything that needs to be said about your attitude regarding other people's theories. Unless you have 100% proof to disprove the things that other people are claiming (such as a CT placement for ALttP), quit acting like your theories and opinions are all that matters. Even if you're not willing to accept that ALttP makes the most sense if it goes on the CT, quit claiming that anyone who says so is wrong.

About the topic at hand, though: we don't know, as far as I am aware, whether or not the River Zoras are 100% related to the ocean Zoras that we see in Ocarina of Time and other games; we're simply assuming they are given the similarity in name. It is quite possible that the River Zoras are a completely different species from the ocean Zoras, but happen to share the name. If this is the case, then it is entirely possible for River Zoras and ocean Zoras to exist simultaneously, even if one species is seen in a particular game and the other is not.

Well played, DigificWriter. Well played.

it is entirely possible for River Zoras and ocean Zoras to exist simultaneously,

Not only is it possible, we know it is the case from Oracle of Ages. If you claim OoX on the AT then you have to claim Labrynna is unaffected by the flood for there still to be Ocean Zoras, but at the same time you have to remove the idea of River Zoras being caused by the flood as they are in this flood unaffected land.

^ River Zora, I didn't find out about River Zoras and ocean Zoras appearing in Oracle of Ages together until after Sparty posted his comment (meaning that it would've been impractical to re-edit my post to incorporate this). You're right, though, that the appearance of both species in Oracle of Ages makes using the existence/absence of one species or the other an inaccurate way to gauge where a game should be placed (something I'm guilty of doing in another thread).

Don't worry about it! Hehe, Zoras are a particular thing of mine as you can probably tell from my username

Therefore I don't like seeing their nature used in illogical ways for poor theorising.

I think presence of Ocean Zoras is enough to CT something because of the confirmation of Zora-Rito, but because of OoX showing that they can co-exist regardless of flood effects, River Zoras are far from evidence to AT something.

*EDIT*- Watties' "theorising" is beginning to annoy me too, we may have a new Smallvilleboy on our hands though significantly less eloquent and knowledgeable

Watch out. Smallville Boy might catch wind of this and "GAME OVER" you.