THE Zelda Facts Guide: Including Theories & Questions

Originally Posted by Mandrag

I'm only going by memory here, but if LCT is canon we've got a new mystery antagonist.
Remember the miniboss of the Arbiter's Grounds, how when you beat it it turns into a swarm of bugs and flies out of the room? In LCT, you fight a Darknut as a boss who can also disassemble himself into a swarm of bugs.

For some less theory-y territory:

• Ganondorf loses the Triforce of Power at the end of Twilight Princess and it remains unaccounted for.
• OoX begins with the full Triforce being held in Hyrule.
• Some little old pointy-eared man is in possession of the Triforce of Courage in Adventure of Link.
• The Triforce is shown to disappear after a wish is made in the Wind Waker.
• The boss-key-blocks from Phantom Hourglass features an identical eye with three triangle lashes above and below design that Agahnim's portion of Hyrule Castle displayed.
• Even without the protection of the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf is perfectly capable of clear understandable speech (and artsy metaphors) with about half of a large sword is inside his brain.
• The sages in Twilight Princess wear identical costumes but are invisible underneath, very different from the sages of Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker who looked perfectly normal (for what they were).
• Powerful beings in Phantom Hourglass possess the ability of mitosis.
• The title screen to the original Legend of Zelda very clearly showed a rapier with a full hand-guard, the likes of which have never been shown in the series.
• In Link to the Past the Master Sword can shoot a beam, but not in other games.
• No game featuring the Master Sword can follow Link to the Past (it rests "FOREVER").
• Link travels to the past of the Temple of Time in Twilight Princess and the Master Sword is not present at its pedestal.
• Twilight Princess shows the Gorons using super-powerful electromagnets and probably geothermal energy in their mines.
• Twilight Princess shows that Gorons do not require air to survive.
• Oracle of Ages shows that "Zora" may be merely a name for water-dwelling humanoids and not any particular species.
• Majora's Mask shows that people can compose the same songs in Termina and Hyrule independent of each other.
• Majora's Mask shows Link without the Triforce mark on his hand.
• Hylians possess the ability of telepathy (as demonstrated frequently in Link to the Past) but for the most part are unaware of it.
• Hylians believe that their longer ears give them super-human hearing.
• By the time of Wind Waker, Hylians are no longer recognized as a separate race (ear shape seems to be considered a trait like hair curliness or eye color).
• In Legend of Zelda and Adventure of Link, Link's shield displays a Christian cross symbol.
• In Link to the Past the "Sanctuary" is very reminiscent of a Christian church.
• Twilight Princess's Snowpeak ruins also seem to feature a private chapel.

Maybe more later, I've strained my memory.

Thank you for the Addition your making to this thread.

Question: "Link travels to the past of the Temple of Time in Twilight Princess and the Master Sword is not present at its pedestal" - When did this happen and can you provide a link or a video or a picture or something to prove that? Just so i can be sure (i tried looking it up but no luck)

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and give some constructive critisism to this thread.

1) The contents of this thread should really belong on the Zelda Wiki which is much more organised when it comes to things like this.
2) Stating facts can sometimes go way overboard, like "In ALttP, Link has a hat"

We have a stickied thread with links to such resources as japanese tranlation, developer quotes and wikis. This thread doesn't quite add anything to the already established and competent system.

With that said, I like your work and I hope to see you contribute to the wiki. You'll get a shiny banner if you do

Thanks for the Criticism. The Real purpose of this Thread is to bring out specific Elements of Each game (not irrelevant Facts like the one in your example) and state them so that we can have a simple thread that has the Prevelant and useful facts to make a proper Timeline or Theory. It's Here to gather All the Zelda info that Has anything to do with Constructing a Timeline with the least amount of inconsistencies.

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

Thank you for the Addition your making to this thread.

Question: "Link travels to the past of the Temple of Time in Twilight Princess and the Master Sword is not present at its pedestal" - When did this happen and can you provide a link or a video or a picture or something to prove that? Just so i can be sure (i tried looking it up but no luck)

He goes to the past at about 2:40.

Originally Posted by Mandrag

He goes to the past at about 2:40.

wth...? do did link go back to after oot link pulled it up?

Here's my facts list:
* The LoZ chronology officially splits in two due to the events of Ocarina of Time's ending (Zelda sending Link back to the past), creating an 'adult' timeline and a 'child' timeline

* The Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass can be concretely placed on the adult timeline

* Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess can be concretely placed on the child timeline

* The Ancient Sages - introduced in Twilight Princess - have only been seen on the child timeline

* The Seven Sages - introduced during the second half of Ocarina of Time - have only been seen or referenced on the adult timeline

* The Ancient Sages are the closest correlation we currently have to the Sages mentioned in the backstory of A Link to the Past

*In a quote from last year (2008), Eiji Aonuma stated that the towns seen in The Adventure of Link were meant to be named for/after the Seven Sages (confirming something that was first hinted at in 1998)

* Aonuma has also stated that the Rito were designed as the evolved form of the Zora

These are, IMO, the 'core' things that we should be paying attention to when trying to figure out the intended placement of the more 'nebulous' games in the franchise.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

Here's my facts list:

* The Seven Sages - introduced during the second half of Ocarina of Time - have only been seen or referenced on the adult timeline

* The Ancient Sages are the closest correlation we currently have to the Sages mentioned in the backstory of A Link to the Past.

No, the seven sages are the closest correlation. It fits perfectly. And say your right with them sealing Ganon, well guess what, no imprisoning war there. Means AT.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

Here's my facts list:
* The LoZ chronology officially splits in two due to the events of Ocarina of Time's ending (Zelda sending Link back to the past), creating an 'adult' timeline and a 'child' timeline

* The Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass can be concretely placed on the adult timeline

* Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess can be concretely placed on the child timeline

* The Ancient Sages - introduced in Twilight Princess - have only been seen on the child timeline

* The Seven Sages - introduced during the second half of Ocarina of Time - have only been seen or referenced on the adult timeline

* The Ancient Sages are the closest correlation we currently have to the Sages mentioned in the backstory of A Link to the Past

*In a quote from last year (2008), Eiji Aonuma stated that the towns seen in The Adventure of Link were meant to be named for/after the Seven Sages (confirming something that was first hinted at in 1998)

* Aonuma has also stated that the Rito were designed as the evolved form of the Zora

These are, IMO, the 'core' things that we should be paying attention to when trying to figure out the intended placement of the more 'nebulous' games in the franchise.

Thanks, Your added.

Originally Posted by Watties

No, the seven sages are the closest correlation. It fits perfectly. And say your right with them sealing Ganon, well guess what, no imprisoning war there. Means AT.

Hmm... go check some other theads on here for that refutation


P.S. Any one know how to get this thread a sticky?

Watties, your 'the Seven Sages are the closest correlation to the Sages from ALttP' argument is getting rather tiresome and old, especially since you can't - or won't - provide any explanation for how you go from having seven Sages who are of mixed race and gender (2 males/5 females and consisting of the following races: Goron [Darunia], Sheikah [Impa], Hylian [Rauru and Zelda], Kokiri [Saria], Gerudo [Nabooru], and Zora [Ruto]) in OoT to having seven Sages of the same race and gender (male Hylians, with female Hylian descendants) mentioned in ALttP, or how you go from same mixed-race/gender Sages to the Sages/Shrine Maidens shown in Four Swords Adventures (who, like the sage descendant maidens in ALttP, are all female Hylians), since there apparently exists connections between FSA and ALttP.

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

wth...? do did link go back to after oot link pulled it up?

That's very interesting. It should be there on both timelines, meaning it has to be.

TP Link traveled 100+ years in the past to the time when his ancestor roamed.

Something occurs to mind: Were OoT Link to have a continued bloodline, TP Link would be the grandson or great grandson [nephew is also plausible]of OoT Link. [or somewhere in that age bracket] It's already said that they're related, but that kinda adds SOME merit, right?

Originally Posted by Watties

No, the seven sages are the closest correlation. It fits perfectly. And say your right with them sealing Ganon, well guess what, no imprisoning war there. Means AT.

Well, to be honest, aLttP mentions that the sages were males. Old men at that.

But this applies to the Imprisoning War, which happens on the AT.
Question: Doesn't he still gets sealed into the TR on the CT? Couldn't that constitute as a [not THE], but a Sealing/Imprisoning War?

aLttP could fit on the CT if one decides to be really **** and split hairs about what's what's called.

example: Ganondorf did something on the CT that merited death. Because of such, he was tried and sentenced to be executed. He, however, would not go without a fight. He killed the Water Sage, and they sent him to the TR instead.

Though that does leave the question of how he get's the ToP in TP, but if he actually got into the SR on the CT, that explains the DW in aLttP, thusly allowing further evidence of an aLttP's CT placement.

Originally Posted by DigificWriter

Watties, your 'the Seven Sages are the closest correlation to the Sages from ALttP' argument is getting rather tiresome and old, especially since you can't - or won't - provide any explanation for how you go from having seven Sages who are of mixed race and gender (2 males/5 females and consisting of the following races: Goron [Darunia], Sheikah [Impa], Hylian [Rauru and Zelda], Kokiri [Saria], Gerudo [Nabooru], and Zora [Ruto]) in OoT to having seven Sages of the same race and gender (male Hylians, with female Hylian descendants) mentioned in ALttP, or how you go from same mixed-race/gender Sages to the Sages/Shrine Maidens shown in Four Swords Adventures (who, like the sage descendant maidens in ALttP, are all female Hylians), since there apparently exists connections between FSA and ALttP.

Seriously, the only thing I do is provide evidence. All you do is say that you think that the developer's... yada yada yada, you aren't in their minds you don't know. Fine they're old men, inconsitensy, but on the CT there isn't anything you have except for thoughts. You say that cause your too stubborn. Stfu, let the arguing continue, provide evidence (for once. o, u cant cuz there is none), and wait for Nintendo to release it. Idiot.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

That's very interesting. It should be there on both timelines, meaning it has to be.

TP Link traveled 100+ years in the past to the time when his ancestor roamed.

Something occurs to mind: Were OoT Link to have a continued bloodline, TP Link would be the grandson or great grandson [nephew is also plausible]of OoT Link. [or somewhere in that age bracket] It's already said that they're related, but that kinda adds SOME merit, right?



Well, to be honest, aLttP mentions that the sages were males. Old men at that.

But this applies to the Imprisoning War, which happens on the AT.
Question: Doesn't he still gets sealed into the TR on the CT? Couldn't that constitute as a [not THE], but a Sealing/Imprisoning War?

aLttP could fit on the CT if one decides to be really **** and split hairs about what's what's called.

example: Ganondorf did something on the CT that merited death. Because of such, he was tried and sentenced to be executed. He, however, would not go without a fight. He killed the Water Sage, and they sent him to the TR instead.

Though that does leave the question of how he get's the ToP in TP, but if he actually got into the SR on the CT, that explains the DW in aLttP, thusly allowing further evidence of an aLttP's CT placement.

Some think that he had it all along and that he was just acting as if he didnt have it (TP, the ToP). It is known, though, that Ganondorf had to have it at some time when link came back (because link had the symbol on HIS hand at the end of OoT).
Another thought that was put out there is that Ganondorf did indeed change the Sacred realm into the Dark realm (permanently) which means that the Effects of the Adult timeline (that being of, and only of, the sacred realm turning dark) was left intact when the split was made or when Child link returned to hyrule. This would mean that the ALttP BS has both events (Sacred realm seeping with darkness and The Sealing of Ganon) as a single event that leads to The ALttP's Ganon (which is, evidentally, Ganon from FSA) gaining the Whole triforce (i suspect that he was moved or broke his seal and to get to and get lost in the sacred realm/Dark realm)

Any thoughts about that?

Summary: ALttP's BS Is an Amalgamation of Ganondorf Touching the Triforce in OoT and That same Ganondorf being sealed in The Twilight realm and the Second (FSA) Ganon being Lost in the Sacred realm (with a joined Triforce i think)

Get upset much, Watties? DigificWriter DID give evidence. You both did. Don't claim the other didn't give anything, but, if needs be, you could always expand on your arguments if one or the other person didn't fully understand the full extent of your meaning on a topic.

Sparty, I've been consistently and continually citing why I believe that the developers' intent is for ALttP to occur on the CT, but Watties keeps dismissing it; also, contrary to what he says, he blatantly refused (in another thread) to offer evidence that proves the developers intend ALttP to go on the AT. The fact that he also has started resorting to name-calling should further indicate the fact that he, unlike myself, has practically nothing to back up what he's claiming, and that he simply likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

I like arguing too, but what I see here is just getting to the point of ridiculous. I've seen this Zelda forum as a place for mature discussion on issues related to the games we absolutely love and enjoy talking about. If we lose that level of maturity that sets us apart from many other game forums then that's a big failure on our part.