Timelines: Is there even an Adult and Child Timeline?

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

But that's the thing, I think that the legend in the beginning of WW totally is saying the one of MM.

Well it doesn't. NoA translation might have confused you, but the Hylian and Japanese version make it CLEAR that after the events of OoT the Hero of Time left the world by traveling through time, it didn't say he went on a journey or that he traveled away on a horse for everyone to see. That was just a depiction.

But it's so obvious that the legend is depicting Majora's Mask, MM has to come before WW! I don't know, but it seems as if it just has to.

It is not obvious. It plainly contradicts what the game itself has to offer.

It was called the Triforce of Courage. It is said that when the Hero of Time traveled through time and left Hyrule, he was separated from the source of being a hero and the Triforce of Courage turned into 8 fragments and scattered throughout the land."

MM can't come after WW because Link left that timeline through time.

^What? I'm confused.

Read this.
http://www.adventureofhyrule.com/tww...rocomment.html
"the hero had put the country behind him, and journeyed into the flows of time, and never appeared."

and this.
http://forums.legendsalliance.com/in...8&#entry404348
"It is said that when the Hero of Time traveled through time and left Hyrule"

This is the correct legend that was for some reason avoided in the English version, hence your confusion. My only guess is that NoA was just as confused, as they probably tried to connect MM and WW. It's likely that they though there was a single timeline. However, the japanese version and Aonuma himself has proven to us the split and that WW and MM are on difference branches.

Applaud, everyone. Applaud.

Applaud? Whom is this directed to.

@Nerushi. Though you may have a point, it seems as if WW is totally being directed towards the tale of MM. You even said it seems like it, and to me that is enough evidence to say that it could be right before Wind Waker. I'm not saying you should believe this, but like I said earlier, I want you to except it as a valid possibility.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

Applaud? Whom is this directed to.

Towards Nerushi for his above statement, which was simple and concise.

@Nerushi. Though you may have a point, it seems as if WW is totally being directed towards the tale of MM.

And you're entitled to your opinion. Aonuma would laugh at you, but he'd let you keep your opinion, all the same.

I'm not saying you should believe this, but like I said earlier, I want you to except it as a valid possibility.

No one has to accept anything they don't think could even remotely be true. That's like asking a Mormon if they would ever believe that there could be other religious paths in life for a person to traverse. He or she will not budge on the matter, no matter if it were true or not.

As for me, I won't believe MM comes on the AT either. I don't even accept it as a possibility. I once tried to fit it into my early timeline models, but that was before I knew of the timeline split. Now that there's for a sure a split, it only makes sense that MM goes on the CT, as the Hero of Time would not be around on the AT at the time the adventure in Termina takes place.

So stop trying to get people to accept a possibility that they won't even remotely consider.

The thing is, I don't understand this whole hero of time affecting the whole timeline thing. I have not a clue what you're trying to say. The hero of time is not around on the AT at the time the adventure in Termina takes place? That is wrong. The hero of winds, or the hero of time, from WW is related to the hero of time. the king of red lions said so himself within the game of WW. He said (somewhere after the tower of the gods) that you are the hero of time.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

The thing is, I don't understand this whole hero of time affecting the whole timeline thing. I have not a clue what you're trying to say. The hero of time is not around on the AT at the time the adventure in Termina takes place? That is wrong. The hero of winds, or the hero of time, from WW is related to the hero of time. the king of red lions said so himself within the game of WW. He said (somewhere after the tower of the gods) that you are the hero of time.

Well, it's been explained to you quite thoroughly. I'm not sure what there is not to get.

Well, you're right, actually. The Hero of Time does exist on the AT at the same time that the Termina adventure happens on the CT. Know where he is? He's locked away in the Sacred Realm after having pulled the Master Sword. Yep, he's there for his seven year slumber.

And...no. You're wrong that the Hero of Winds is related to the Hero of Time. There is absolutely no blood connection. The only connection is that the Link from WW becomes worthy of the title of Hero by his deeds. He becomes worthy to wield the Master Sword. This is all. I mean, even in the English version, it's quite clear that the major NPCs know he has no blood relation to the Hero of Time. They pretty much out and say it.

Originally Posted by Sparty

Thanks to that interview with Aonuma, the quote we were just provided above, it seems that MC, FS, and FSA are the oldest adventures in Hyrule to date, meaning they take place BEFORE OoT, no questions asked. My suspicions are confirmed. Thank you so much.

Th only problem with that is that Aonuma didn't know much back then. Furthermore, FS is supposed to be the same Link as FSA Link. If that's true and they were trying to set up for aLttP, how can this take place before OoT?

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

That actually sounds logical. I don't know why people are so critical *cough* Twilit_Hylian *cough*.

Because you're wrong and you refuse to admit to something confirmed.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

The thing is, I don't understand this whole hero of time affecting the whole timeline thing. I have not a clue what you're trying to say. The hero of time is not around on the AT at the time the adventure in Termina takes place? That is wrong. The hero of winds, or the hero of time, from WW is related to the hero of time. the king of red lions said so himself within the game of WW. He said (somewhere after the tower of the gods) that you are the hero of time.

Lemme pit it like this

OoT Link is HoT Link. After HoT Link defeated Ganon as an adult [AT] Zelda removed him from time altogether. He didn't go to the past of THAT timeline because that would result in a single timeline which has been confirmed wrong.

He was sent to a separate timeline where he continued on to Majora's Mask. The AT carried on, but there was no hero to step up. Because of such, Hyrule was flooded. Her was just in Termina, he was removed from time itself.

WW Link is not the HoT, he is reincarnated from OoT Link.
PLain and simple. That's why MM cannot be on the AT.

I don't know how to be much clearer than that. No offense intended if you're getting upset.

I think we're wasting our breath. Upside-down-name-dude isn't connecting the dots.

Question: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?
Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.
Mr. Aonuma: There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult.

Question: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

Question: When does Twilight Princess take place?
Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.
Question: And the Wind Waker?
Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time. In the last scene of Ocarina of Time, kids Link and Zelda have a little talk, and as a consequence of that talk, their relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction. In the middle of this game [Twilight Princess], there's a scene showing Ganon's execution. It was decided that Ganon be executed because he'd do something outrageous if they left him be. That scene takes place several years after Ocarina of Time. Ganon was sent to another world and now he wants to obtain the power...

Some unrelated, but interesting points:

NP: Where does the latest Zelda game fall into the series' mythology? Early in the series or after Majora's Mask?
Miyamoto: This is the very first Zelda story. If all we ever did was try to continue the story, we'd lose some of the interest. It's fun to jump back and forth.

"Latest Zelda game" could refer to either FS or WW. (I'm not sure yet.)

Superplay: So that's why the third game looked like the first one?
Shigeru Miyamoto: Exactly. We actually see A link to the Past as the real sequel to Legend of Zelda. Zelda II was more of a side story about what happened to Link after the events in Legend of Zelda.

Oh yeah! I can always rely on Beemnorv to save th day!

Yay!

Are you still sticking with your double-MM theory? Other than the MM placement before WW, you have a fine AT/CT timeline.

Originally Posted by xoɹǝpnpɐpןǝz

The thing is, I don't understand this whole hero of time affecting the whole timeline thing. I have not a clue what you're trying to say. The hero of time is not around on the AT at the time the adventure in Termina takes place? That is wrong. The hero of winds, or the hero of time, from WW is related to the hero of time. the king of red lions said so himself within the game of WW. He said (somewhere after the tower of the gods) that you are the hero of time.

VERY TRUE.

Link banged Malon in two different timelines.... Lol, this is a hard one to explain actually. Leads back to my theory of Nintendo really not knowing about the split until the theory was invented. And now, they're figuring out the timeline just as we are.

Nintendo came up with the split timeline with WW. They almost straight-out said it in-game! NoA however, didn't know about the split timeline, so they thought the order was OoT/MM - WW. Hence the MM references in the NoA translation.

Actually that's wrong... KoRL specifically says tWW Link is NOT related to the Hero of Time, hence he is christened with the new 'Hero of Winds'.

'No... He appears to be of no relation to the ancient Hero... But there is something special about him' KoRL to Jabun (or thereabouts.. perhaps a bit or paraphrase... text dump it if you don't believe me )

Originally Posted by River Zora

Actually that's wrong... KoRL specifically says tWW Link is NOT related to the Hero of Time, hence he is christened with the new 'Hero of Winds'.

'No... He appears to be of no relation to the ancient Hero... But there is something special about him' KoRL to Jabun (or thereabouts.. perhaps a bit or paraphrase... text dump it if you don't believe me )

Lol sorry, your right, that is correct. Wasn't thinking lol. Zora, face it, I need you to correct me in these situations. School sucks.

Wow, Watties, you made a lot of posts.

But on topic, what's more likely? The double MM, or the MM splitting the timeline? Is it the same? So...
........--MM--TP--LoZ--AoL
OoT
........--MM--WW--PH--OoX--MC--FS/FSA--ALttP--LA

Or...

....................--TP--LoZ--AoL
OoT--MM
....................--WW--PH--OoX--MC--FS/FSA--ALttP--LA

Is it the same? Does it differ greatly?