The LA debate

Zelda: (first time she meets Link in aLttP)
Thank you, Link. I had a
feeling you were getting close.

No sense of introduction or anything- certainly seems they were at least acquaintances.

I don't get why there's a problem with the order of my arc... if there's a problem let me know

The main issues are Seal War problems- but oh well- there are a billion of them everywhere and it does work just wiggled about.

Originally Posted by River Zora

No sense of introduction or anything- certainly seems they were at least acquaintances.

I don't get why there's a problem with the order of my arc... if there's a problem let me know

The main issues are Seal War problems- but oh well- there are a billion of them everywhere and it does work just wiggled about.

Then why the "I am Zelda, I'm in the dungeon" part?
The issues I am thinking about are the Triforce, Ganon going from death to sealed during the lifetime of Link without us knowing anything about it, Link still being an adolecent despite a good time that would have to pass between OoX and AlttP. (Ganon being revived and sealed, Aghanims rise etc)

Sound and Drama isn't exactly canon anymore- but it does show that originally the rise of Ganon and Agahnim was intended to be in Link's lifetime and thus it is possible.

Also Ganon wasn't sealed at this point in history- he merely found his way into the Sacred Realm and was unable to find his way out according to in game dialogue, and again from S+D this was intended to happen in lifetime of Link.

We also know from OoT that a war and sealing/foiling of Ganon requires seven years. Link is very much young Link in OoX from the art, but seemingly more adult Link in aLttP and LA, so I reckon there's plenty of time considering what else we know to be able to happen in seven years.

Only thing against it is the young Link voice clips in the GBA aLttP edit.

EDIT: As for the 'I am Zelda' thing- that was in the psychic message that Link's uncle also heard so presumably was sent to everyone of the bloodline- not just Link- it wasn't addressed to Link. Also this explains how Link knew who Zelda was but where was the 'Who are you? Are you of the bloodline? Link is your name? Ah, I see' moment in favour of just 'Thanks for saving me Link'.

Originally Posted by River Zora

We also know from OoT that a war and sealing/foiling of Ganon requires seven years. Link is very much young Link in OoX from the art, but seemingly more adult Link in aLttP and LA, so I reckon there's plenty of time considering what else we know to be able to happen in seven years.

I think the developers have stated that AoL, OoT, and TP are the only games to feature an adult Link. I assumed ALttP Link was more adult to, but that was not their intention.

Also, get that ugly u out of the word favor

Originally Posted by River Zora

Sound and Drama isn't exactly canon anymore- but it does show that originally the rise of Ganon and Agahnim was intended to be in Link's lifetime and thus it is possible.

Yes the rise of Aghanim maybe, but I don't see how Ganon should get revived succesfully and trapped in that short time. Link would have to be very young in OoX too for this to work.

Also Ganon wasn't sealed at this point in history- he merely found his way into the Sacred Realm and was unable to find his way out according to in game dialogue, and again from S+D this was intended to happen in lifetime of Link.

Yeah that was bad wording on my side. I did refer to him being trapped there when I said sealed.

We also know from OoT that a war and sealing/foiling of Ganon requires seven years. Link is very much young Link in OoX from the art, but seemingly more adult Link in aLttP and LA, so I reckon there's plenty of time considering what else we know to be able to happen in seven years.

I don't think he looks much younger, OoX just has a more cuddly artstyle compared to ALttP.

EDIT: As for the 'I am Zelda' thing- that was in the psychic message that Link's uncle also heard so presumably was sent to everyone of the bloodline- not just Link- it wasn't addressed to Link. Also this explains how Link knew who Zelda was but where was the 'Who are you? Are you of the bloodline? Link is your name? Ah, I see' moment in favour of just 'Thanks for saving me Link'.

And I always assumed Link could only hear the message because of being close to his uncle (the intended receiver).
It wasn't adressed to Link after all, but to his uncle, if not even his uncle knows Zelda personally then I doubt Link would know her. Well I doubt that one of them would know her but the other didn't.

Also, get that ugly u out of the word favor

When you convince the webmasters to replace the uglier Z in theorising

Yes the rise of Aghanim maybe, but I don't see how Ganon should get revived succesfully and trapped in that short time. Link would have to be very young in OoX too for this to work.

He isn't revived 'successfully' in mine- he remains in his spirity form as seen in OoX which without Master Sword (not canon to me- or at least not THE Master Sword) or Silver Arrows survived the death of his imperfect body. His spirit enter Agahnim and remains thus until Agahnim's eventual death thus a new sacrifice giving him a much greater body given the longer resurrection process. OoX begins the revival for aLttP.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Also, get that ugly u out of the word favor

Said the rapist of the pure and innocent English language.
Everyone here in theorising should be free to colour their language to their liking.

Except for Amaricans ofcourse, those arses. (jk)

Edit: Watch and learn American English as your superior relative avoids the swearing filter

Edit:

Where does Ganon get his body from in ALttP, how is he actually alive and trapped? OoX ended with a failed ressurection, a mindless Ganon. How could his mind stay behind and posses Aghanim?

Hey, Lime- I also edited in a serious comment too

so did I now...but now this post is spam, darn it.

Edit: Ah I see you are assuming Aghanims death to be the sacrifice for Ganons new body. I deem this unlikley since the body just drops down instead of serving as a vessel like Twinrova. And there seems to be a ritual missing. And how did a bodyless Ganon end up trapped in the sacred realm?

When Twinrova resurrects Ganon we see his Spirit is successfully resurrected- the floaty flamey thing. He needed a pure body in the form of Zelda but instead got Twinrovas- this was the failing- the body. His spirit was successful. Because no evil banishing equipment was used said spirit stayed around without a body.

This Spirit then fused with Agahnim making that whole 'alter ego' thing- Together Ganon goes and enters the realm through a portal or Agahnim's magic or whatever, but is unable to get out. Agahnim then helps him out and when Agahnim enters after for the second part of the game he and Ganon become the like one thing after which Agahnim is killed and Ganon flies off to the Pyramid finally having his own body thanks to the Triforce or whatever.

Originally Posted by River Zora

When Twinrova resurrects Ganon we see his Spirit is successfully resurrected- the floaty flamey thing. He needed a pure body in the form of Zelda but instead got Twinrovas- this was the failing- the body. His spirit was successful. Because no evil banishing equipment was used said spirit stayed around without a body.

I would have to dissagree here since the game clearly shows Ganon is retarded after being revived and Zelda also states that his mind was "broken".

This Spirit then fused with Agahnim making that whole 'alter ego' thing- Together Ganon goes and enters the realm through a portal or Agahnim's magic or whatever, but is unable to get out. Agahnim then helps him out and when Agahnim enters after for the second part of the game he and Ganon become the like one thing after which Agahnim is killed and Ganon flies off to the Pyramid finally having his own body thanks to the Triforce or whatever.

I would disagree again, as Aghanim does hardly qualify as a pure body...nor is their any ritual for his "sacrifice". And The bodies function as "vessels" for Ganon, they are used up during the ritual to form his new body. Aghanim ust drops down and remains there while Ganon flys away in bat form.
I also strongly disagree about Aghanim being the one t stuble into the sacred real with Ganons spirit. It does not match up with the info we get in the game. Nor does it explain how Ganon ends up trapped there but Aghanim does not.

Edit: In japanese mythology and pop culture a blue flame usually represents the soul. So the blue flame is not Ganons spirit but his soul.

Originally Posted by Ojlink9

After ALttP: This is so because of the Nightmares link has. Their of his enemies from ALttP. and yea... thats it. Nite folks.

Okay, so LA comes after OoX and aLttP.

Originally Posted by Table

And Zelda makes it VERY clear in OoX that she has never met you.

So this put aLttP after OoX, unless Holynna is AoL's North Hyrule, where a princess Zelda lives. Also, every female in the family is named Zelda. Thusly, it's not impossible for this to be a different Zelda from aLttP.

Originally Posted by bitterlime

Disagree, Aghanim is in OoS. So there is no issue with the nightmares.

Where?

Disagree, OoX-La is stronger even without the shared enemies. The mermaid references and statue and the owl statues in LA are only well explained if he is OoX Link. Oh did I mention the talking animals exclusive to OoX and LA?

Okay, so why not aLttP-OoX-LA?

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

Where?

Sorry I should have said that there is an Aghanime look alike in OoS, he's the mini boss of...my don't ask me which tempel. I'll try to get a picture or something

Edit:

and it's the dancing dragon dungeon he appears in.

Okay, so why not aLttP-OoX-LA?

That's what I would fancy, but there is the Zelda not knowing Link issue.

Originally Posted by bitterlime

That's what I would fancy, but there is the Zelda not knowing Link issue.

And as I have said:

So this put aLttP after OoX, unless Holynna is AoL's North Hyrule, where a princess Zelda lives. Also, every female in the family is named Zelda according to AoL's backstory. Thusly, it's not impossible for this to be a different Zelda from aLttP.

Originally Posted by Twilit_Hylian

And as I have said:

Yes ofcourse you can work around the problem, but should we do that?

I agree my Ganon resurrection theory is long winded and over-analysed and I honestly very much doubt this is what the creators intended- HOWEVER at this moment not to over-read these things leaves us with at least one occasion of an unexplained Ganon resurrection-

I fully expect there to be a future game or backstory that explains the inevitable Ganon revival, but as it is with current games I'd rather be accused of overanalysing and twisting evidence than making up non-existent games at this point.

My timeline is fluid with the release of each new game, it is always merely the 'most likely given current evidence'.

Originally Posted by bitterlime

Yes ofcourse you can work around the problem, but should we do that?

when nothing contradicts it wholly in a reasonable manner.

We know Link has a boat- why does it have to be the exact same voyage?

Link is shown to be leaving Hyrule at the end on his boat. Where is the huge castle castle next to the sea in LttP Hyrule, and why is he leaving that, not staying in Hyrule to set up LttP?

Perfectly coherent. Link goes home, has more adventures, then decides to go off sailing again.

Where is he going at the end? Why would he be leaving Hyrule?

Disagree, OoX-La is stronger even without the shared enemies. The mermaid references and statue and the owl statues in LA are only well explained if he is OoX Link. Oh did I mention the talking animals exclusive to OoX and LA?

Mermaid references?

I was referring to OoX/LA NEEDS to be the case for enemies and minor references and aLttP/LA needs to for original intention which doesn't quite seem necessary to remove and main storyline narrative.

I am certain OoX must come before LA with the same Link.
I am certain aLttP must come before LA with the same Link.

Why is LttP still attached to LA? If OoX/LA makes more sense and has more evidence, and is more recent, wouldn't it retcon LttP/LA?

I would have to dissagree here since the game clearly shows Ganon is retarded after being revived and Zelda also states that his mind was "broken".

I thought Zelda just said that he was a Ganon without intelligence? I nitpick

And as I have said:

So two fully grown Zelda's meet the exact same Link without anything implying an existance of another Zelda?

My timeline is fluid with the release of each new game, it is always merely the 'most likely given current evidence'.

It's too fanfic-y for me.

when nothing contradicts it wholly in a reasonable manner.

Nothing wholly contradicts the Tetraforce theory. Should we believe it?

Just because nothing wholly contradicts it doesn't mean that there's nothing heavily implying the opposite.

It's too fanfic-y for me.

True, but me over-interpreting an existing resurrection is infinitely less fanficcy than making up an entire new one with no evidence it ever happened. Until a 'Return of Ganon'-esque game I will maintain my interpretation.

EDIT: As for Mermaids- in OoA Link gets a Mermaid suit described as the skin of the mythical beast and the Zoras talk to Link as if he's a real mermaid implying they are real creatures with whom the Zoras are familiar.

Originally Posted by Table

Mermaid references?

Yep mermaid references.
LA and OoX are the only games that reference mermaids, oh wait PH does too. But yeah my point still stands.
In OoA Link get's a mermaid suit and visits a mermaid cave, and there is also a mermaid statue (in the village).
And in LA we actually meet a "real" mermaid. And once again there is a mermaid statue (the statue is the end of the trading sequence, you place a mermaid scale in it and it reveals a hidden passage).