Universe 2 Discussion Thread

Remember that idea I had about a structured, second universe that wouldn't be related to the first universe at all, except for the characters?
Most people said it wasn't a good idea, but at least one person said they would be on board, so I want a little more discussion on the subject to see if people like the idea or not. First, let me explain my idea:

Okay, U2 is exactly like U1, except more structured. There are established cities, towns, countries, ect. ect. Other than that, it's exactly like U1. Now, U2 is in a whole different universe, as well as a whole different timeline from U1, so it's impossible for a character to travel between the two universes, especially since said character will live in both universes, but just have different experiences.
The driving force behind this is that characters can know about each other without actually meeting or being in the same RP, so when the characters finally do meet, they will already have some knowledge about each other. It would simply make for a more interesting world.

So, anyone up for this?

I'm onboard! I must research U1 first though.

Originally Posted by Maystag

I'm onboard! I must research U1 first though.

Research... U1? Huh...

Anyway, anyone else on board. Remember, this could also be used as a new beginning for your character.

You know research pointless and hopeless links untill you realize theres no point and do it anyway

Yea... Umm... I really don't...

But, anyway... I still want more comments on this idea.

Just request a Wiki. That's what it sounds like you're asking, friend.

If not, elaborate, and you'll possibly get more responses.

I'm not really requesting a wiki. I'm requesting comments for the concept in the original post.

I still think this is a bad idea. We already have a "universe", and a number of people and places are well known within it already (and so information about them can spread whether or not we accept your idea anyway).

The universe we have at the moment has been structured (or rather, not structured) so that BAers have as much freedom in their writing as they need. I suggest that if you want a structured universe, you consider looking for a second place you can do RPs at other than the Escapists' Haven.

Originally Posted by Sabbo

I still think this is a bad idea. We already have a "universe", and a number of people and places are well known within it already (and so information about them can spread whether or not we accept your idea anyway).

The universe we have at the moment has been structured (or rather, not structured) so that BAers have as much freedom in their writing as they need. I suggest that if you want a structured universe, you consider looking for a second place you can do RPs at other than the Escapists' Haven.

I'm not saying total structure, people will still have the freedom that they have usually, however, there will be pre-established buildings, cities, NPCs, companies, etc. That can be used in all the RPs taking place in that universe, and these pre-established elements will be able to link two RPs or characters together so that they mix, while both of them still being independent.

Think of a city of gods. Each god can be linked together or learn about one another through things like the newspaper, radio, TV, internet, libraries, work, etc. etc. But they have the freedom they want to go off and create new cities and such, but be able to return to that one city with all it's people whenever.

uh, we can't have a second universe until we establish the first one.

which we haven't.

the "universe" that BA events occur in is actually a disjointed amalgamation of countless number of universes, one for each character's story line.

Originally Posted by VenomousNinja

I'm not saying total structure, people will still have the freedom that they have usually, however, there will be pre-established buildings, cities, NPCs, companies, etc. That can be used in all the RPs taking place in that universe, and these pre-established elements will be able to link two RPs or characters together so that they mix, while both of them still being independent.

Think of a city of gods. Each god can be linked together or learn about one another through things like the newspaper, radio, TV, internet, libraries, work, etc. etc. But they have the freedom they want to go off and create new cities and such, but be able to return to that one city with all it's people whenever.

Think of it this way: if I want to use a building, city, NPC, company, etc. in an RP, I will either make up one myself or ask another BAer if I can use one they made.

And anyway; when making this world, when would we say "okay; it's done. let's use it now"? The universe we have been building from scratch already is being built organically - when something is needed, it will be made - but what your suggesting is a world where everything is pre-made, and no new ideas can be added - everything will already be set, and mostly unchangeable. Or if you're not, then your idea has no advantages whatsoever over the current BA universe.

And anyway, what would happen if there was an event such as what happened in the RP Chinatown Rush? One of the intricately crafted cities would be completely destroyed, ruining much hard work.


Suffice to say, your idea... it's just not good to add in directly alongside an already existing universe. If you started from scratch in a place separate from the BA, your idea would be better, but we have no use for a second universe when we already have one here.

Originally Posted by Sabbo

Think of it this way: if I want to use a building, city, NPC, company, etc. in an RP, I will either make up one myself or ask another BAer if I can use one they made.

And anyway; when making this world, when would we say "okay; it's done. let's use it now"? The universe we have been building from scratch already is being built organically - when something is needed, it will be made - but what your suggesting is a world where everything is pre-made, and no new ideas can be added - everything will already be set, and mostly unchangeable. Or if you're not, then your idea has no advantages whatsoever over the current BA universe.

And anyway, what would happen if there was an event such as what happened in the RP Chinatown Rush? One of the intricately crafted cities would be completely destroyed, ruining much hard work.


Suffice to say, your idea... it's just not good to add in directly alongside an already existing universe. If you started from scratch in a place separate from the BA, your idea would be better, but we have no use for a second universe when we already have one here.

There is one huge advantage to my idea, alongside many smaller advantages:
A) It would give all characters common ground. They would all be able to navigate the streets of a certain city, even if they haven't been in an RP together.

B) This BA universe would have a concrete past that is shared by all. It would change the way how all characters view things and how they act.

C) Most things that happen in one RP would affect others happening in another RP.

D) All RPs would be connected and would be happening at the same time, thus allowing an outside force to have an inpact in an RP.

Your suggestion would doubtlessly need a GM to make it work properly (and consistently), and the required control said GM would need to have is far beyond what any current councillor has, or likely would want to have.

And what of characters who have integral parts of their storyline attached to places already made canon in the current universe (eg. Aikomira & Z have both attached their characters to Rubato, a place she made), or mine, who could theoretically move between the two universes at will?

Also, as I tried to address earlier, at what point in the making of this second universe would we decide "It's done now; let's use it."?

We have a universe?

I want to request a wiki about that. I know nothing about it. o_o

Originally Posted by Sabbo

Your suggestion would doubtlessly need a GM to make it work properly (and consistently), and the required control said GM would need to have is far beyond what any current councillor has, or likely would want to have.

And what of characters who have integral parts of their storyline attached to places already made canon in the current universe (eg. Aikomira & Z have both attached their characters to Rubato, a place she made), or mine, who could theoretically move between the two universes at will?

Also, as I tried to address earlier, at what point in the making of this second universe would we decide "It's done now; let's use it."?

A) Not necessarily. Just a little guidance, not like an overbearing GM.

B) I said that there would be established places, not that you couldn't make places yourself.

C) Your character wouldn't be able to move between the two universes at will, since it is completely seperate from the other(making it impossible to traverse from one to the other) and the timeline is different(meaning your character's history would be screwed up badly and your whole character would change if you even tried it.)

What is the point of this second universe.

By making it more structured you are just stifiling the creative process. Srsly though, there is nothing wrong with the system we have now.

Originally Posted by Robin Goodfellow

What is the point of this second universe.

By making it more structured you are just stifiling the creative process. Srsly though, there is nothing wrong with the system we have now.

The main point it to heighten character interaction. And I'm not stifling any process.

How is it heightning anything?

Also by making it more structured makes it harder for people to do what they want, when they want. Wha'eva, I wont be playin so it don't effect me much.

Maybe structured is the wrong word... Let's try, established, shall we?

Originally Posted by VenomousNinja

A) Not necessarily. Just a little guidance, not like an overbearing GM.

B) I said that there would be established places, not that you couldn't make places yourself.

C) Your character wouldn't be able to move between the two universes at will, since it is completely seperate from the other(making it impossible to traverse from one to the other) and the timeline is different(meaning your character's history would be screwed up badly and your whole character would change if you even tried it.)

A) I can't dispute this any further. That doesn't mean I believe that though.

B) Then what's the point of the established places? We already have places now, so making more just for the sake of making them is pointless.

C) I realise that it's entirely pointless to argue this due to this universe 2 never going to exist, but... meh. My characters are the only iterations of themselves which exist in any universe, and this started to be true the moment they started using the void portals as transport, so no, their histories would not be different.