New Section Name

Originally Posted by Altamira

Actually we've voted on this a number of times and most people don't like it much.

Yet it has been brought back up again by multiple people. It deserves a spot on the polls as much as any of the other suggestions.

Originally Posted by Stryder Aedernis

Yet it has been brought back up again by multiple people. It deserves a spot on the polls as much as any of the other suggestions.

I'm counting two people now. You're certainly not going to get a majority vote out of this.

Originally Posted by Sabbo

I'm counting two people now. You're certainly not going to get a majority vote out of this.

Wrong - three people have actively posted approval in this thread. I count at least a further three who have shown or posted approval, in this thread and/or elsewhere. I can also think of other members who would support the EH's return.

The long and short of it is that "the Escapist's Haven" was a great name. It was original, fun, and gave us a name we could use with pride around the forum. It was neither nondescript nor extravagant; it isn't so serious that it sounds like we have sticks so far up our backsides we could pass as Punch and Judy puppets, and yet it shows that we can act with pride and austerity and still greatly enjoy what we do. Sure, it may not receive a majority, but it deserves to be in the poll nonetheless. They can take our lives, but they can never take our freedom.

I bid you good day sir.

I think I prefer the 'Escapists Haven'. That just sounds great to me.

Originally Posted by Stryder Aedernis

Wrong - three people have actively posted approval in this thread. I count at least a further three who have shown or posted approval, in this thread and/or elsewhere. I can also think of other members who would support the EH's return.

The long and short of it is that "the Escapist's Haven" was a great name. It was original, fun, and gave us a name we could use with pride around the forum. It was neither nondescript nor extravagant; it isn't so serious that it sounds like we have sticks so far up our backsides we could pass as Punch and Judy puppets, and yet it shows that we can act with pride and austerity and still greatly enjoy what we do. Sure, it may not receive a majority, but it deserves to be in the poll nonetheless. They can take our lives, but they can never take our freedom.

I bid you good day sir.

And no veteran of the BA agrees with you.

So veterans are the only one's who should get represented here?

Originally Posted by Stryder Aedernis

Wrong - three people have actively posted approval in this thread. I count at least a further three who have shown or posted approval, in this thread and/or elsewhere. I can also think of other members who would support the EH's return.

The long and short of it is that "the Escapist's Haven" was a great name. It was original, fun, and gave us a name we could use with pride around the forum. It was neither nondescript nor extravagant; it isn't so serious that it sounds like we have sticks so far up our backsides we could pass as Punch and Judy puppets, and yet it shows that we can act with pride and austerity and still greatly enjoy what we do. Sure, it may not receive a majority, but it deserves to be in the poll nonetheless. They can take our lives, but they can never take our freedom.

I bid you good day sir.

The Escapist's Haven was a rather awful name. I mean yeah, a lot of us use the BA for escapism, but that's definitely not a thing to be proud of... I actually feel a little ashamed bearing that title. Calling yourself an Escapist is admitting that you can't handle the troubles in your life so you choose to run from them... I don't see how that's a title you want to boast about. :<

It also lacks any sign of the word "Roleplaying" which, now that I've considered it for a while, I think could be very helpful for attracting the attention of new members who would ordinarily glance right over this section.

I'd have to agree with Quark.

"Escapist's Haven" just sounds... bad. It's derogative. It's nothing you'd want to carry around on your head proudly. And then there's nothing conveying that it's roleplaying; since there are lots of things that can be considered "escapism".

Also "veterans' opinions" aren't the only ones that matter, that's why we have this thread. If it's a place on the poll you want, a place on the poll you'll get.

Originally Posted by Sólsetur

So veterans are the only one's who should get represented here?

Of course not. I was just demonstrating how outnumbered Stryder is.



Also, I totally agree with Quark, except for how I had thought that way as soon as I found out we had adopted that section name.

Nin-nin.

Originally Posted by Sabbo

And no veteran of the BA agrees with you.

That is quite possibly the worst counter-argument I have ever heard and should be ignored.

Originally Posted by Quark

The Escapist's Haven was a rather awful name. I mean yeah, a lot of us use the BA for escapism, but that's definitely not a thing to be proud of... I actually feel a little ashamed bearing that title. Calling yourself an Escapist is admitting that you can't handle the troubles in your life so you choose to run from them... I don't see how that's a title you want to boast about. :<

Originally Posted by insaney

"Escapist's Haven" just sounds... bad. It's derogative. It's nothing you'd want to carry around on your head proudly.

How have you come to put such a negative spin on that? I don't agree with that definition at all. Escapism isn't a negative noun in the slightest, unless you make it so - but if you choose to think of it negatively you do so of your own volition and shouldn't presume to tar me, and others, with the same brush.

My definition of Escapism in this context is the ability to create and immerse yourself in a beautiful, exciting, dangerous, adventurous, and most importantly fun setting or scenario. Is that not the purpose of roleplaying? To be able to leap into a battle, an adventure, to interact emotionally, mentally, happily, with anger or loss - all from the comfort of your home or work or coffee shop?

So no. I'm quite proud of being an Escapist, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Quark

It also lacks any sign of the word "Roleplaying" which, now that I've considered it for a while, I think could be very helpful for attracting the attention of new members who would ordinarily glance right over this section.

Originally Posted by insaney

And then there's nothing conveying that it's roleplaying; since there are lots of things that can be considered "escapism".

The title "The Battle Arena" has never truly reflected the nature of its purpose. Nor have any of the previous names (i.e. "The Amphitheatre"). Just pointing that out. The idea of a Haven, however, could and would accurately convey the purpose and pastimes of its inhabitants.

Originally Posted by Stryder Aedernis

That is quite possibly the worst counter-argument I have ever heard and should be ignored.

I agree with this. But then I also think "Escapist Haven" is a horrible name, so the point is totally moot.

I'm just looking at all the section names in the rest of the forums... we have "Zelda", "Community", "Clans and Games"... literally the only other section with even the slightest bit of "flavor" in the title is the "Creativity Corner" and that's just BARELY. Following this pattern, the next section header in line really should be "Role Play"; it's the only possible name that won't make at least somebody cringe, and it also, you know, can't possibly mislead someone as to what the contents of the boards are.

It looks like I care about this more than I actually do (I basically don't; I don't post in here) but it's strange to me that we wouldn't use the section header like the rest of the site does, and the way it makes the most sense to use it: a terse description of what's inside, and nothing more.

This time we want to convey roleplaying. It's not just "The Battle Arena" anymore. We have the VCR with us this time. "Battle Arena" and "The Amphitheatre" don't fit the place, either.

If you look up the definitions of 'escapist' almost all of them mean "escaping from perceived bad reality into fantasy". It sounds bad. Anyone who knows the definitions of "escapist" would be turned away. For example, turning to alcohol is a form of escapism. Even if you perceive it to be a good name the definition is still too broad.

It's still getting a place in the poll, if that was your wish.

asdf thanks Dium.

Originally Posted by insaney

This time we want to convey roleplaying. It's not just "The Battle Arena" anymore. We have the VCR with us this time. "Battle Arena" and "The Amphitheatre" don't fit the place, either.

If you look up the definitions of 'escapist' almost all of them mean "escaping from perceived bad reality into fantasy". It sounds bad. Anyone who knows the definitions of "escapist" would be turned away. For example, turning to alcohol is a form of escapism. Even if you perceive it to be a good name the definition is still too broad.

It's still getting a place in the poll, if that was your wish.

I disagree, but so long as it's on the poll I'm happy. I'm just making sure it has its spot. If the people's vote says otherwise, I fully support it.

You know, "Battle Arena" is not an appropriate name anymore (and so it's good that it's changing) but it really isn't a bad name for a section. Back when 90% of what happened in the BA actually was battling, it was a perfect name, in that it was probably the most to-the-point way of saying what the boards were about (without resorting to silly supershort names like merely "Battles").

I'm just afraid people think there are frills that need to be replaced here when there are none.

I don't personally see any issue with the word 'escapism' - it's not a bad word. However I don't really find 'Escapist's Haven to be a particularly appropriate name. I've always suggested the name 'Role-Playing Central' and I still stand by it, although any name in the format 'Role-Playing ____' would be an appropriate name. I'd just prefer a simple word there. It's just the section name - it doesn't matter if it's generic, it simply needs to be descriptive. But it absolutely must have the words 'role-playing' in it, in my opinion.

I, myself, once favored Escapists' Haven. I still like the name in a way, because I don't take personal offense to the word "escapist." We all need an escape from life sometimes to recharge our real life batteries. It only becomes a bad thing if you do it to an unhealthy degree.

However, I am with Cookie that in light of the VCR joining us but even before now, Escapists' Haven is no longer any more appropriate than Battle Arena as a section name. We need something that is more descriptive even if plain.

DIUM, stop making sense.



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But yeah. _Some_ frills should probably stay, but only a bit. This is, after all, a creativity-based part of the site, just like the Creativity Corner. We're just a bit more specific in the types of creativity allowed here.

I'm thinking it should be a three-word name, where the first two are roleplay or role-playing.

Or we could go a bit more clinical and call it something like "interactive storytelling"

I want to vote for there being no weird little "-" between "role" and "play." Those are two words that work just fine independently of each other, and I think it looks ugly when it's likes "role-play" or "role-playing."

That's just me being nit-picky though.

Oh right, right. Either are technically correct, but you've got a good point.

That said, role play or roleplay?

If we're omitting the dash, I think 'Roleplaying' looks better.