The evolution theory.

um isnt there already a thread about this but w.e its not real god made us.

Why do you say it isn't real, Subrosian?

Originally Posted by AzaISaZELDALORD

Well, if you PM me I can give you evidence. However what I will do here is help you with the argument: Cicero, one of the finest orators there has ever been used two parts to his arguments.
THEY ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT
1. Make your points
2. Attack and discredit those of the opposition

If you get your 2. right then you will not have to worry as much about proving your own argument.

Hope this helps.

Whoa, you're telling him to discredit the opposition? I guess before i go into a tirade I'll let you know my interpretations of "discredit": to make the other side look like idiots/liars so no one believes them.

If that's not what you meant, then ignore this next part.

The instant a debater start personally attacking someone in a debate their argument becomes null and void, because they are no longer debating the issue, and any maturity and depth to their argument is forgotten. It may also mean that theirargument sucks or doesn't even exist, so they had to discredit the other side so that would not be revealed. If that's Cicero's method, then Cicero's an idiot. Modern day proof: Just watch any political debate. Politicians never bring up actual issues, they just skim the surface and attack each other, and never actually say what exactly they are going to do.

First of all, the truth is that the world was created by a gigantic flying monster which slightly resmbles spaghetti and meatballs.
Second, we can observe evolution through the survival of the fittest in the form of the Darwin Awards.

But okay, enough mocking evolution/religion. I think that almost every point I was goin to post got covered as I read on, so I'll try to post some original stuff for both sides. Sorry if I take some points that hav already been made.
I would also like to say that I believe in evolution, however my parents raised me christian as a child, and I'm now an agnostic. Anything i say for either argument is asuming that one is right. So lets all try and get along by sticking to the arguments and trying to avoid outright belief bashing.

Evolution

And the fact that the earth was MAGICALLY created through a big spoof or whatever so-many-million years ago is absurd.

First, modern humans only actualy made their first apearance about 2million years ago, and when looking at the history of the world, we haven't been around verry long. Also we were not just "MAGICALLY created". The first form of life was a single celled organism with only the most basic of function to survive. As it reproduced, and competition began for nutrience, these cells had to start adapting to gain an advantage. Every time something went wrong while a cell was dividing, or any time realy, the mutation either helped, or hindered it. The one which were hindered quicky died off, and the one who were helped gained an advantage over the other, making them the dominant one to reproduce. Evolution continued like this untill multicellular organism came about, which in turn led to us all the way down the line. So you can see, it is not completly random. The mutations are, but there is a distict reason that evolution happens.

The KJV Bible stands true today. Although the problem is, even though it's true, they won't let you bring "religion" into it. Know why? Deep down inside they know it's true. If it was really "false" and "full of propaganda" as they say, then they'd let you go on about it, and make a fool out of yourself. Only God could have done something this perfect. Everything had to be in PRECISE balance. That's something that no coincidence or "big bang" *or WHATEVER they want to say* could have done.

It is not fair to state that the theory of evolution is false and that the bible is true, when there is alot more hard evidence for science. And just as has been stated many times already, humans are not perfect. Finaly, planets and the rest of the universe formed in what I'm sure everyone will find a surprisingly similar way to the workings of evolution. In fact, it is still happening right down to the atoms which make up the periodic table. Here's how it goes. (I'm not an expert on it, epecialy the very begining, but this is the basis of the theory)
The big bang happens, particles are imbued with huge amounts of energy and are sent flying around the cosmos, invitably coliding with each other, sometimes fusing. This part is pretty simple, if the result of this was stable, it would continue on zooming in no direction untill it hit something else. If it was unstable, then the bond would break and the particles would again be sent off zooming in no direction untill they hit something else. This eventualy lead to atoms forming molecules forming object forming planets stars and everything in between. And like I said, this is still going on. So even though it looks like there are an impossible number of things ou there, just remember, there is an impossible amount of time this has been goin on for.

The last thing I'll say for evolution is that the science is there to back it up where as even though the bible is a somewhat reliable historical document, there is alot of it which is miss interpited, or there is no evidence to.


Religion
Okay, this wikll be a little harder, but here goes...
Since like I said there is not alot of evidence for this I'm goin to explain 2 philosphical situations, one explaining a perfectly good reason to believe in god, another in a way essentialy proving the exsistence of god (if you have an open mind, and are able to comprehend the statement)

Pascal's Wager
I am goin to make you a bet. You have the option of betting for God (believing), or agaist God (not believeing). Which ever one you pick, is how you must live your life, either being kind, and good hearted trying to get into heaven, or simply however you please, doin what you want when. Which will you take? But wait a minute, befor you place your wager, allow me to explaing something. If God is real, then the Bible is right, and the same afterlife implication apply (heaven and hell). If he does not, then there is nothing to be gained or lossed. So, do you see? There are better odds for you bettin on God. Think about it. There are only 4 possible outcomes.
# Bet God real? Outcome
1 For Yes You go to heaven
2 against Yes You go to hell
3 For No Nothing, you lived a life being good to others
4 Against No Nothing, you live your life your way

Only one of those options is realy a bad one, and it comes under not believing in god, so you're odds on "winning" are 1:1 for god, but 2:1 agaist, which would you choose?


Inductive Reasoning
This one requires an open mind, and you may have to read through it a couple of times.
God is the perfect being who created.
Therefor God has a perfect exsistence
A perfect existence requires existing
Therefore, God must exist, or we would not be able to think of him in the first place.
Okay, yes, a little hard to grip, but does make sense.

So in conclusion, I was just playing devil's advocate (no religious punn intended) so everyone could get a good view of both sides, Thank you for actualy reading all the way through this. Any questions just ask. And I'd like to give one last point.
Is it possible God was the creator, but not the cadalyst?