The universe and earth

Okay. After reading and posting some things on 'How long to live' I decided to take my theory out. This theory is about the world and the universe, so if you're not interested in the world and the universe; don't read on...

After what I've heard the universe was created by the Big Bang for ca 5,4 billion year ago. You may say it was the hand of God, but sience says that it was a linking between atoms that really created the Bang. The sun is as old as the universe.
Earth was created for 4,6 billion year ago, how I don't know; and I would be glad if someone could tell me. At the start it was only water on earth, all land lay under it. As the lands began to rise, some of the rases that lived in the water started came up from the water and started walking on solid ground.
When the dinosaurs came, there had been life on land for a long time allready. The dinosaurs died out because of the climate changes (I belive, correct me if I'm wrong), and after that it went the way all people know: the Ice Age came and passed, man started walking on earth, etc. After that the man started thinking and everything was fine.
I don't know what happened for a long time after that; but you can read some of it in the Bible.
In our own age mankind rule the earth. We have been on the moon; and in not too many years we will be on Mars too.
They say the sun has passed half its life. In ca 4 billion years the sun will grow, and then swallow the earth. Of course, there won't be mankind on earth then. My theory is that a third World War will destroy what man has built up, and we will have a new Stone Age.
In 4 billion year there is not sure there is any earth left for the sun to swallow, though... I think mankind will destroy the world when we fall.

That's it, I suppose. If you have something to say about this theory, just come with it; and I'll look at it. I will be happy to get some advices how to get my theory better.
There is a lot of guessing in this text, so it's not sure that all of it is true...

The big bang has been disproven. If in fact it really did happen, the matter would have been spread out equally, and as you can see, that did not happen.

Originally Posted by VideoGameBoy999

The big bang has been disproven. If in fact it really did happen, the matter would have been spread out equally, and as you can see, that did not happen.

As I said: I'm not sure it's right, it's just a theory.
Thanks for telling me, though!!!

*pops in*

The big bang theory is just...stupid.

*vanishes*

Okay. After reading and posting some things on 'How long to live' I decided to take my theory out. This theory is about the world and the universe, so if you're not interested in the world and the universe; don't read on...

*reads on*

Earth was created for 4,6 billion year ago, how I don't know; and I would be glad if someone could tell me.

I'm not entirely sure of the specifics, but from what I've heard the big bang created immense blocks of stone many times larger than the Earth that would collide and create increasingly smaller stones until eventually they were sucked up by the gravity of a planet, star, or black hole (etc.).

At the start it was only water on earth, all land lay under it. As the lands began to rise, some of the rases that lived in the water started came up from the water and started walking on solid ground.

I'm not too sure about this, although at the beginning the Earth was a molten planet almost entirely covered with lava, topped by a layer of solid rock. Not until later did the Earth become as you described.

When the dinosaurs came, there had been life on land for a long time allready. The dinosaurs died out because of the climate changes (I belive, correct me if I'm wrong), and after that it went the way all people know: the Ice Age came and passed, man started walking on earth, etc. After that the man started thinking and everything was fine.

The death of the dinosaurs could have been climate changes, although there are other theories, such as a massive comet hitting the Earth and shrouding out the sun with a layer of dark cloud. The Ice age however, did not occur until 65 million years later, if you so desire, research what happened during those times.

They say the sun has passed half its life. In ca 4 billion years the sun will grow, and then swallow the earth. Of course, there won't be mankind on earth then. My theory is that a third World War will destroy what man has built up, and we will have a new Stone Age.
In 4 billion year there is not sure there is any earth left for the sun to swallow, though... I think mankind will destroy the world when we fall.

Actually, I believe I heard that if the sun becomes a red giant it will only swallow the planets up to the earth, although the heat will make the planet uninhabitable. Although, if it becomes a white dwarf we will be plunged into darkness.
And you said we'll destroy the earth? Literally or figuratively? If literally, you might be a little bit contradictory, dont you think?


And I'm certain quite a few of my facts (or opinions... just for you politically correct people =P) are wrong or out of order. Don't bite me, kay? I learned most of this stuff years ago when I was into space and whatnot.

Oh...

*pops in*

The big bang theory is just...stupid.

*vanishes*

And you think that an immortal being coming out of nowhere and using his miracles to create the entire universe in 7 days is any better? Think about that. If god can come out of nowhere, why cant the super condensed matter that the universe was/is built out of come out of nowhere? (this is... of course assuming you are a creationist. I myself have a mixed view of religion/science on these things.)

The big bang has been disproven. If in fact it really did happen, the matter would have been spread out equally, and as you can see, that did not happen.

can you explain how it is impossible? The matter could still be expanding, and the numerous gravitational forces of extremely large sizes it has created could have skewed the growth causing different shapes and fates of the universe. I'm not even going to go into that, or dark matter though.
And VGB, the same goes for you as did Spirited Away.

myself am a creationist, however I tend to view debates from an atheistic view point, it makes them more fun. Now the reason that "certain gravitational forces could have altered the movements of the particles" is that the particles (acording to the big bang theory) would be spread out equally, because previously there was no gravity. These particles when then proceed to have thier own gravity, and since they were evenly spread out, would effect eachother equally, causing none of them to move. A mysterious "gravity field" could not exist, c'mon, know your stuff, Einstein proved that gravity is determined by mass, and everything that has mass just came out of the big bang, there can't be any extra mysterious gravity.

I will say it once more.

The big bang theory is stupid.

God is real, like it or not. I beleive in the Bible. That he will return one day for all his followers. And you know the story. I do have doubts. But one thing I have learned through them is that I just have to have faith and believe in him. So I do.

I don't mean to preach to ya. But ya...God created this world. He created you and me.

It's called the Bible sonny, read it.

myself am a creationist, however I tend to view debates from an atheistic view point, it makes them more fun. Now the reason that "certain gravitational forces could have altered the movements of the particles" is that the particles (acording to the big bang theory) would be spread out equally, because previously there was no gravity. These particles when then proceed to have thier own gravity, and since they were evenly spread out, would effect eachother equally, causing none of them to move. A mysterious "gravity field" could not exist, c'mon, know your stuff, Einstein proved that gravity is determined by mass, and everything that has mass just came out of the big bang, there can't be any extra mysterious gravity.

heh, yeah. I was just throwing that out there. Although perhaps you should read up on Dark matter.

I will say it once more.

The big bang theory is stupid.

God is real, like it or not. I beleive in the Bible. That he will return one day for all his followers. And you know the story. I do have doubts. But one thing I have learned through them is that I just have to have faith and believe in him. So I do.

I don't mean to preach to ya. But ya...God created this world. He created you and me.

It's called the Bible sonny, read it.

I will say it once more.

And you think that an immortal being coming out of nowhere and using his miracles to create the entire universe in 7 days is any better? Think about that. If god can come out of nowhere, why cant the super condensed matter that the universe was/is built out of come out of nowhere?

And notice how I've said that when it comes to Creationism and Evolutionism, I have a mixed view of Religion and Science. It usually shows, however, that I lean towards science on this matter. The Religion I am referring to, is Christianity (or more specifically, Methodism. Which is basically the same, save for a few worship practices.)

And, I have read the bible. I believe and follow it, because that is my religion. The only thing I have mixed views on is Creationism, which I have never fully believed. And I usually keep an open mind about everything as well.

Your a Christian? Or..you know whatever.

Start acting like it. You say you believe in the Bible and follow it. But sitting here...and saying all that stuff about:

And you think that an immortal being coming out of nowhere and using his miracles to create the entire universe in 7 days is any better? Think about that. If god can come out of nowhere, why cant the super condensed matter that the universe was/is built out of come out of nowhere?


Your not a true Christian. If you were then you wouldn't be questioning God's actual existence.

As for me. I believe God created the entire world, and it's people.

*shrug* If you don't, thats your choice.

Originally Posted by Spirited Away

Your a Christian? Or..you know whatever.

Start acting like it. You say you believe in the Bible and follow it. But sitting here...and saying all that stuff about:

And you think that an immortal being coming out of nowhere and using his miracles to create the entire universe in 7 days is any better? Think about that. If god can come out of nowhere, why cant the super condensed matter that the universe was/is built out of come out of nowhere?


Your not a true Christian. If you were then you wouldn't be questioning God's actual existence.

As for me. I believe God created the entire world, and it's people.

*shrug* If you don't, thats your choice.

You better not have been reffereing to me when you said that. I'm a devout christian, and I know what I believe in. Yes, the world was created in seven days, I believe that, but sometimes in debates you have to look at things from an atheistic view. And, actually, my statement was AGAINST the big bang.

Okay rand first thing I would like to correct in your theory is that the sun is not as old as the universe. It is about half way through it live and I've you count backwards it would not have been around when the light from the furthest objects started to travel towards us. secondly we have Iron, gold, and other elements in our solar system when at the start of the universe it is currently theorized by science that there was only two elements Hydrogen and Helium. The other elements where formed by the collaspe of supermassive stars when they ran out of Helium and Hyrdogen to use in the nuclear process in their cores. Thirdly the current theory as the universe at it very begining consisting of a ball of plasma made up of those atoms. Although at this point the current laws of physics don't really work that well.

So it the current theory goes some kind of quantuam event (particles are able to pop randomly into existance in the vaccuum of space, many believe the same of the preuniverse nothing). These collide or whatever and cause the existance of and expanding ball of plasma. After a while this breaks apart and collapses into the fist stars. They are large and have shorter live spans then a middle of the range star like our sun. They continuelly collapse in on themselves creating new elments and also release the some of the heluim and hydrogen in solar winds. they go nova and release these elements that float around and eventually collapse into new stars, some form interstella clouds of gas. This continues for a bit, unitl eventually as currently theorized a star nearby a cloud of gas that is to become our solar system. It causes it to collapse in on it self unitl the fusion process of the sun starts at it centre. It unlesses a wave of energy that pushes the remaining lighter elements to the edges of the solar system while the heavier ones stay closer to the centre. All these objects start obribiting the new sun and collide and congeal and bond. Some times a an impact is large enough to split a smaller body in two. The crusts then begin to cool on the smaller rocky planets forming near the sun. Water then comes to this planets in the form of comet strikes, from the comets that have been knocked inwards after they have formed at the outreaches of the system. Chemicals combine make amnio acids the combine and form D.N.A life. Of course we all know both versions of what happens to get the creatures we know and are today. Now as for the future the sun will eventually obtain a circumfrence that exceeds earth's orbit but not that of mars. Before then though the earth is baked into a new mercury. On the longer scale entropy runs its course until their is nor energy left except for Hawking radiation coming of black holes which are slowly swallowing up matter even now. Eventually this radiation can make them disappear. Then thats it for the universe.

Thats the current lot of events know for some of you other people. The universe is still expanding, many galaxy's have collide due to their own gravitational forces and as BB_11 has stated their is that whole dark matter thing. And then if the Big Bang theory is true we do not know what was happening in that cosmic egg of plasma that may effect the distrubution of matter today. Now onto the dinosaurs, climate change does not mean ice age. It was proably a cooling down though that affected plant life and went on up through the food chain. An asteriod strike might still have been a factor and increased volcanic activitate is still an old favourite. There is no smoking gun on this issue rather a combination of factors.

Finally for those of you stating the literal seven day creation. How arrogant to believe an omnipotent being operates on a human time scale. Sorry about being abrupt about it but it is something I feel I most get of my chest. Humans always gotta be at the centre of everything.

Originally Posted by rand

After what I've heard the universe was created by the Big Bang for ca 5,4 billion year ago.

13.7 billion, actually.

You may say it was the hand of God, but sience says that it was a linking between atoms that really created the Bang.

Erm, nope, science isn't quite sure what caused it.

The sun is as old as the universe.

No, it's quite a few billion years younger.

Earth was created for 4,6 billion year ago, how I don't know; and I would be glad if someone could tell me. At the start it was only water on earth, all land lay under it. As the lands began to rise, some of the rases that lived in the water started came up from the water and started walking on solid ground.

Right after the big bang everything was incredibly hot quark-gluon plasma, a super-dense, super-hot 'fire', if you will. Over time this cooled into Hydrogen, as it did so certain areas became slightly denser then others (thanks to the random motions of all the particles), the denser areas had more gravity, so they drew even more mass into them. Once enough mass was 'collected' this way these globs of hydrogen underwent fusion reactions (These will occur whenever you have a huge amount of a light element), this reaction would fuse the hydrogen into helium and, in doing so, would release vast amounts of heat. We now have our first stars.

Now, stars can only fuse elements up to Iron, so once they'd fused most of their fuel into iron they expand or explode, when they explode they briefly produce other elements and then scatter them into space. These scattered elements re-formed as planets and meteors. Given enough time they'd collect around stars, crash into each other, and fuse. Giving rise to most of the smaller planets, like the Earth.

The Earth, thanks to fairly simple chemical reactions, was covered in a 'soup' of organic molecules, one day some of these combined in the right way to form a molecule that could make basic copies of itself. From then on evolution took over and steadily improved this molecule until it became every living thing you see around you.

They say the sun has passed half its life. In ca 4 billion years the sun will grow, and then swallow the earth. Of course, there won't be mankind on earth then.

About 5 billion, and it might not swallow the Earth, it's more likely to simply fry it.

I also hope that mankind is not there, but that we overcome our current obstacles and are living among the stars.

In 4 billion year there is not sure there is any earth left for the sun to swallow, though... I think mankind will destroy the world when we fall.

I doubt it, it takes a lot of energy to destroy a planet the size of the Earth.


Edit: For everyone who's opposed to the Big Bang, the creation of Earth (as outlined here) and evolution please give me some proof that backs up your claims, I've got plenty that backs up mine.

Okay. Thanks to all that has posted on this thread.
I knowthat it is a lot of mistakes there; but hat's why I put it there in the first place, to get some help on my projeckt...

I don't mean that man will destroy earth that way that it will be gone; more like: It will be harder to live here after mankind is done on this place... not destroyed, but ruined.

Originally Posted by Spirited Away

*pops in*

The big bang theory is just...stupid.

*vanishes*

Why?

Becuase it is. Read some of my posts dude.

And VideoGameBoy, I was referring to BB_11, silly.

Originally Posted by Spirited Away

Becuase it is. Read some of my posts dude.

And VideoGameBoy, I was referring to BB_11, silly.

So... The BB is stupid because it might contradict the Bible? I was asking more for evidence or proof that it doesn't work. If you don't have that then you're essentially saying "I know nothing about this, but here's how it really works."

Yes, Dwarf dude. Thats pretty much what I'm saying because thats how I was raised. I don't have hard evidence (besides the Bible) that God exists.

But I continue to believe that he does. I think the BBT is stupid and just a tad bit hard to swallow. But thats just me.

*sigh* Oh well.

And you think that an immortal being coming out of nowhere and using his miracles to create the entire universe in 7 days is any better? Think about that. If god can come out of nowhere, why cant the super condensed matter that the universe was/is built out of come out of nowhere?

God didn't come from nowhere. He was never created. He was just... there. He has always been there.

THANK YOU WOLFEN! *hands Wolfie a rainbow*

Originally Posted by Wolfen

God didn't come from nowhere. He was never created. He was just... there. He has always been there.

That doesn't work. Eventually he has to come into existence, think about it. Something cannot exist without being 'made', so to speak.

Originally Posted by Spirited Away

But I continue to believe that he does. I think the BBT is stupid and just a tad bit hard to swallow. But thats just me.

What is stupid about it? What's so hard to swallow? I honestly want to know so that I can help explain it better, if not to you then to other people who have trouble grasping the concept.