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Old 04-26-2004, 05:34 PM
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Question Good math fair project?

First off, I would like to state that St.Louis hosts a math fair and I have decided to participate in it. I have this project that I think is going to get me first place. I would like to know if you think this is a good math fair project. O.K, here it is:
D=(4a/b)+w
In other words it is a formula to figure out the distributive weight a dome out of 4 carries when a board is placed on top of it and then the weight added to it. It basicly reads:
Distributive Weight= (area of dome x 4 / area of board)+ weight
Can you belive it? An 8th grader making something this good up.
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Old 04-26-2004, 05:40 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

*cough*school forum*cough*

Anyways...seems to be a fairly decent project. But...a Math Fair? Interesting...
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Old 04-26-2004, 08:33 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

moved, as kokiri kid stated.
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Old 04-26-2004, 10:52 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

we had a math fair at our school... we did reflections on a mini golf course, tesselgrams (or whatever), Optical Illusions, The idea of the golden ratio...

Then we had a timeline, and other people dressed as old mathematicians... it was fun...

Unless i'm mistaken, you're pitching this to little kids... so you should pitch ideas for games and such that little kids would enjoy... yea that should work
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:45 AM
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Re: Good math fair project?

Well, if I understood your whole formula, I would have to say that it would be pretty cool. But I don't leaving me to the conclusion that I wouldn't know. But from the sounds of it, it looks like a first place project, especially since it looks like something Einstien would write (even though he took all the ideas and stuff from his wife).
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Old 04-27-2004, 02:41 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

Hmm, how did you reach that formula?
Which area are you speaking of, is it the mantle area (4*pi*r square) or what? And which weight would w represent? The dome's own weight or the board's weight?
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Old 04-27-2004, 04:15 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

O.K, Czardas, the domes will be made out of Lego's so they would be squares. The weight is neither of the board or dome. It is an object like a book, computer monitor, radio, etc. so you would have to weigh the object to get the weight.
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Old 04-29-2004, 01:03 PM
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Are you sure that's accurate?
A simple dimensional analysis would state that the area of the dome multiplied by four divided by the area of the board must be a weight of some sort (measured in kg, pounds or whatever) in order for it to work. This leads to the conclusion that the number four is actually a weight, is this true?
Have you tried it through any experiments?
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Old 04-29-2004, 04:39 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

As a matter of fact, yes I've tried an experement. The domes suprisingly held up my dad. And the weight would be measured in pounds as I live in the U.S. Also, the formula is figuring out the distributive weights of all 4 domes.(I should have put that) If you want to know the weight each dome carries, divide it by 4 and your anwser will be arrived too.
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Old 04-30-2004, 03:31 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

To turn this into an educational moment, can you explain the way a dome works and the mathematics behind it big_al? This will help you with your project also.
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Old 04-30-2004, 04:27 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

Ah! You got me there, Linkisup! That is exactly the same thing my math fair coordinator, Ms.Taggert, is telling me to do; find the mathmatics behind a dome. You could give me a site for it as I am having trouble finding the mathmatics behind the dome. I do know that a dome is strong, because it is basicly a 3-D arch and it is hollow making the weight transfer over the dome equally.
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Old 05-01-2004, 04:00 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

I don't think that you got my earlier question entirely, big_al. No matter which unit you use for weight (such as pound or kg) both terms in the equation must be of the same sort for it to make much sense.
There may be something that I'm missing here, but the real issue is (if the setup is as I imagine) that the board should be thick enough to support the weight. The forces applied to the domes will only proceed into the material below them. In order to determine the maximum stress of the board, one would have to calculate the shearing forces in the material.
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Old 05-01-2004, 10:12 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

The board I'm using is pretty thick enough anyways. I understand completly what you are saying and I think I am missing something to my formula. It should now read like this:
D=(4a/b)+w/4
You have to divide it by 4 if you want to know the weight carried by one dome. Trust me, Czardas, the materials I'm using are pretty strong enough to hold up my dad who weighs somewhere between 250and 300 pounds. And by 'material below them',you must be refering to the floor. Trust me, if the floor can hold up up to an average of 3 to 30 tons, a weight on a board supported by 4 domes will be nothing.
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Old 05-03-2004, 09:36 AM
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Re: Good math fair project?

The weight held up by N domes is simply w/N (and w includes the board's weight). Just consider Newton's second law: F=m*a
So where would your first term in the equation appear from?
Your equation would approach infinity if b approaches zero, thus meaning that if the board is small, it will be infinitly heavy. Quite an odd board, I might add.
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Re: Good math fair project?

Well folks, my project is already in and I'll get the results of my project by Friday or Monday, so we will know if this is a good math fail project or not.
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Old 05-27-2004, 08:59 AM
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Re: Good math fair project?

Ok, folks! The results of my project are in. I won 5th place, so in conclusion, the project is semi-good.
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Old 05-27-2004, 05:55 PM
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Re: Good math fair project?

big_al, no double posting, remember? You should have edited your last post.
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