Zelda Quotes

[Midna of Twili]

well, i need help...for this assignment in English class. i have to identify a leader as being a competent Machiavellian leader, according to the standards in his seminalwork, The Prince. We were able to choose any leader, whether they be fictional or not. I chose Ganondorf, because he is indeed a great Machiavellian leader. Now all i need are in-game quotes that illustrate that Ganondorf is a good Machiavellian leader, and all the good quotes are blocked by my school internet. Can you help me, ZU?! i believe in you!

[Ritogirl]

Ganon: My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose.

I think this quote combined with his actions in Ocarina of Time fits under the category of the end justifies the means. He finds the conquest of Hyrule a necessary step to improving the life of the Gerudo.

[Midna of Twili]

thanks! any more quotes?

[Ritogirl]

They are vast seas...
None can swim across them...
They yield no fish to catch...

What did the King of Hyrule say?
...That the gods sealed Hyrule away?

And they left behind people who would
one day awaken Hyrule?!

How ridiculous...

So many pathetic creatures, scattered
across a handful of islands, drifting on this
sea like fallen leaves on a forgotten pool...
What can they possibly hope to achieve?

Now the purpose of Machevellian rule is to ensure power. However the justification for this is to presreve order. He's bascially honestly pointing out that the Great Sea cannot be unified, becuase of all the seperate islands. He beleives that be bringing back Hyrule he can reunify it.

[Midna of Twili]

thx! any more quotes? i found some...

[Ritogirl]

The trouble with Ganaondorf is that the best indicator of his method of ruling is seen by his actions rather that words. However this qoute does not directly mention Ganondorf but it shows that he can easily wipe out rivals.
Tetra

That's the cursed isle known as the
Forsaken Fortress.

There are all sorts of strange rumors about
this place. What I do know is that long
ago, it used to be the hideout of a no-good
group of pirates we used to compete with...

But they were just small-time. Now, the
place looks like it's pretty dangerous.

[Midna of Twili]

oooh...i see...that's very true, actually...the quote i'm looking for, though, is the one in OoT, of the Goron that says that all the Gorons are afraid of Ganondorf because if they rebel, they will get fed to Volvagia...which shows the Machiavellian principle of "better to be feared than loved"...but i really do appreciate the quotes that you've sent, Ritogirl...i will definitely use them in my writing! *huggles Ritogirl* keep posting, people!

[Ritogirl]

Ah this is the quote you're looking for
Link the Goron

Everybody was taken to the
Fire Temple...
While my dad was out...
Ganondorf's followers came and
took them all away!
All of them will be eaten by
Volvagia!
Dad said that Ganondorf has
revived Volvagia...
As a warning to those who might
oppose him, Ganondorf is going to
feed them all to Volvagia!

[superbeast]

"Light and Dark are two sides of the same coin. One cannot live without the other"

Midna

[Ritogirl]

Nice quote but this thread is about finding quotes to help Zora Link with his report. He has to prove Ganadorf as a competent Machevillian ruler. I'm sure he'd apreciate your help. Off topic: Like my new sig.

[superbeast]

Oh, my bad. I didn't read all of what Zora Link wrote. I just skimmed through it. I can't think of any at the moment. sorry

To answer Ritogirl's question. Yes, Once I got close enough to see it. It's kinda small.

[Midna of Twili]

Originally Posted by Ritogirl

Ah this is the quote you're looking for
Link the Goron

OMG! that's it! ^_^ thanks!!! any more? i'll post the essay in this thread when i'm done with it!

[Ritogirl]

Now a competent Machevellian ruler would use all available technology to keep the population at bay. I recall the part where Naboru was brainwashed by the Twinrova to follow Ganondorf mindlessly. Quote

Twinrova
Kotake: Well, well...
Looks like she's back to normal...
Koume...
Koume: She's just a little girl,
but she commands a lot of
respect among the Gerudo, Kotake...
Kotake: Maybe we should make her work
for the great Ganondorf for
a little while longer!
Ho ho ho!
Then we should brainwash her
again!
Hee hee hee!

[Casual Matt]

These pages from the A Link to the Past instruction manual are worth reading as they reveal his full name, and information about his claiming the Triforce not shown in Ocarina of Time.

Link.

[Midna of Twili]

Now a competent Machevellian ruler would use all available technology to keep the population at bay. I recall the part where Naboru was brainwashed by the Twinrova to follow Ganondorf mindlessly. Quote

how so?

[Ritogirl]

I don't know the game never got into it. All it said was that she was brainwashed.

[Midna of Twili]

oh...ok...well...here is the essay! thanks for all your help! and input! i really appreciate it!!!

Ganondorf, the main antagonist of the Legend of Zelda series and the usurper King of Hyrule, is the ideal Machiavellian leader. Firstly, Ganondorf meets Machiavelli’s standards on acquiring a Princedom. “he who acquires them [new princedoms] does so either by his own arms or by the arms of others” (Machiavelli 1). In Ganondorf’s case, he acquires the Kingdom of Hyrule by “the arms of others”. He uses Link to open the Door of Time so he can get his hands on the Triforce. Ganondorf directly states how he got his Kingdom, “Geh heh heh! Excellent work! As I thought, you held the keys to the Door of Time! You have led me to the gates of the Sacred Realm!…yes, I owe it all to you, kid!” (Legend). When Link opened the Door of Time and grabbed the Master Sword, Ganondorf followed close behind. They both were transported to the Sacred Realm, where the Triforce is found, and Ganondorf got a hold of the Triforce, the sacred triangles that house the power of the creator goddesses of Hyrule. Since Ganondorf had an impure heart, he only got the essence of the Triforce of Power. The Sacred Realm was turned into the Dark Realm, and it soon leaked into Hyrule. Ganondorf became the new King of Hyrule and searched for the other two Triforce pieces. Without Link’s help, Ganondorf couldn’t have gotten into the Sacred Realm in the first place. This was, Ganondorf meets Machiavelli’s standards on acquiring a Princedom. Not only that, but Ganondorf also made sure that it was clear “to everyone that it would be a tedious and difficult task to remove [him]”, just like Machiavelli encouraged (Machiavelli 27). Ganondorf makes it clear that to defeat him, one must go through all of his minions first and have the right weapons to fight him. Valoo, a guardian of one of the Great Sea’s islands, explains to Link, “Still…it is too soon for us to relax. Ganon cannot be defeated by such simple means as wrath and fire” (Legend). Valoo’s statement illustrated that Ganondorf is difficult to defeat, since he has countless defenses and Link finds that it is indeed a tedious task to remove Ganondorf. Link must solve countless puzzles, find several items, and build up his stamina just to confront Ganondorf. In making his defenses strong, Ganondorf is making it difficult for others to unseat him, thus elongating his term as King. Ganondorf also follows the Machiavellian principle that “men are either to be kindly treated, or utterly crushed, since they can revenge from lighter injuries, but not graver” (Machiavelli 4). Ganondorf was one who would “utterly crush” his opponents to get what he wanted. If anyone opposed Ganondorf, that person better hope that Ganondorf doesn’t hear about it. Nabooru, a Gerudo woman of considerable power, informs Link on Ganondorf, “With his followers, he stole from women and children, and even killed people!” (Legend). The fact that Ganondorf steals from defenseless people such as women and children is enough to show that he will stop at nothing to get what he wants, but he doesn’t stop there. He even killed people, just so he could get what he desired. This reflects Machiavelli’s principle of “utterly crushing” a rival, further making Ganondorf the ideal Machiavellian leader. Machiavelli also wrote that “it is far safer to be feared than loved” as a leader (Machiavelli 43). Ganondorf instills fear into his subjects in a way that makes them obey him. They are too afraid to rebel against him. On Death Mountain, Link the Goron tells Link, “Dad said that Ganondorf has revived Volvagia…As a warning to those who oppose him, Ganondorf is going to feed them [the Gorons] all to Volvagia!” (Legend). Clearly afraid for his own life, Link the Goron simply tells Link to save the Gorons from the vicious dragon, Volvagia, since he is too afraid that Ganondorf might catch him and feed him to the dragon as well if he goes. By making his subjects fear him, Ganondorf is also scaring them out of rebellion, so that his “Princedom” will sustain. Truly, Ganondorf is a true, ideal Machiavellian leader.

[ginger17]

Cool! What grade did you get?

[Adam_148]

Your essay looks good, i hope it goes well, and I hope you get good marks/grades for it

[Midna of Twili]

i dont know what i got yet...the teacher has yet to grade them

[Ritogirl]

That looks very good I hope I was a help.

[Midna of Twili]

thanks!!! ^_^ and, yes, you were very helpful in putting all this together...and for that i thank you

[BigGoronSword]

Eventhough the assignment has passed, I'm still going to move this to the most appropriate place *Moved to Temple of Knowledge* It was Zelda related, so I understand why you placed it in General Zelda, but it's was mainly school-based (so it was moved here)

-BGS

[ImReallyLink]

Looks good, but there's one key idea that Machiavelli presents that Ganon doesn't meet. Machiavelli indeed states that it is safer to be feared than loved, but he also says that it is better to be feared than hated. Ganon is most certainly hated, and as we see, he has been overthrown many times because of it. Machiavelli states "when the prince is with his armies and has under his command a multitude of toops, then it is absolutely necessary that he not worry about being considered cruel; for without that reputation, he will never keep an army united or prepared for any combat." Basically, if the prince is considered to be unjust, he will be hated and dethroned. Sure, Ganon has acquired and secured the kingdom, but he is hated and will therefore be dethroned.

That being said, I think you'll do just fine. Just had to get that out there.