Question for all Trekkies

Does the release of the new movie mean that Enterprise is now the only series that is still canon? What are your feelings on this? I personally think it's hilarious.

Not that I'm a Trekkie, I personally despise the series apart from the Borg, but whatever.

It's started an alternate reality. A parallel universe, much like the ones that have been seen before in the series. It doesn't mean the old continuity is overwritten, it just means they'll likely never use it now because they don't have to anymore.

Originally Posted by Lord Zero

Not that I'm a Trekkie, I personally despise the series apart from the Borg, but whatever.

It's started an alternate reality. A parallel universe, much like the ones that have been seen before in the series. It doesn't mean the old continuity is overwritten, it just means they'll likely never use it now because they don't have to anymore.

Actually it technically means that all the series except Enterprise and all the movies except this one never happened. As I understand it. It's not a parallel universe, asold Spock's time is the continuity we know.

But just as people can jump from parallel universes, Spock and Nero, having gone back in time and having altered the past, have caused a fork in time, creating yet another parallel universe.

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Does the release of the new movie mean that Enterprise is now the only series that is still canon? What are your feelings on this? I personally think it's hilarious.

Yes and No.

In essence, Trek has undergone a timeline split. There's the original timeline with Enterprise, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and the old(er) movies, and there's the new one with Enterprise and this one movie.

So, Enterprise is canon in both, but the rest of the stuff is also still canon, even though it's a sort of secondary canon now.

Its kinda like the idea of OOT being the first game then spliting into two different lines where events are different.

Originally Posted by John

Yes and No.

In essence, Trek has undergone a timeline split. There's the original timeline with Enterprise, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and the old(er) movies, and there's the new one with Enterprise and this one movie.

So, Enterprise is canon in both, but the rest of the stuff is also still canon, even though it's a sort of secondary canon now.

Well, yes, depending on whether you view time travel as creating branches or overwriting previous timelines. Anyway, basically that's what I meant: that in this timeline, only Enterprise and the new movie exist.

Which is kinda funny, given that most people (not me) despise Enterprise and consider it the weakest series (I like it).

If the previous timeline had been overwritten then Spock the elder would not still be around.

Originally Posted by John

If the previous timeline had been overwritten then Spock the elder would not still be around.

That would create a grandfather paradox. Hypothetically, it's possible that a traveller, outside their own time, would be unaffected by changes to that time. Of course, it's easy to claim anything to happen as a result of time travel, but meh. I'll go with your explanation; it's simpler.

Well, think about it, if the previous timeline did not exist, then Spock could not have travelled back in time, it simply could not occur because that Spock would have never existed.


I realize that there are still problems, but having time split is probably the cleanest answer.

Originally Posted by John

Well, think about it, if the previous timeline did not exist, then Spock could not have travelled back in time, it simply could not occur because that Spock would have never existed.


I realize that there are still problems, but having time split is probably the cleanest answer.

OK. This makes me wonder, however - did the 'Temporal Cold War' we learn of in Enterprise occur in the Shatner future or the Pine future (as good a way as any to distinguish between the two timelines)?

It probably occurred in the Shatner future if it relies on elements from the Shatner future. If it doesn't matter either way, then it doesn't matter either way.

Of course it's canon. It's all pretty much canon. There's just the issue of split timelines.

Novels are disputable.

The novels are not canon, perhaps fortunately.

The Animated Series is, apparently, not canon, despite probably having better writing than The Original Series.

So, all the shows/movies (save TAS) are canon, nothing else is.

They created an alternate universe so J.J. Abrams can do whatever the **** he wants with the cast and story.

That's all.