Lost: Season Four

[Fadock]

Wow... no lost posts in quite a while. Well, this is the REVIVING POST!
Season 4 premieres in exactly one week here in america. I was just recently introduced to season 3 ( idon't have television and just got into lost at the end of season 3). But as of now i am completely caught up!

My impresseions of season 3 and finale:

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-I believe the man in the coffin is John Lock
-I believe that Kate's "He" is Sawyer
-I believe that Jacob is Jack (I'll explain later)
-The Losties aren't saved... exactly in the way they had hoped
-I truly believe that the Others aren "bad"

Now, about Jack being Jacob.
-First, their names are very similar.
-Second, on the special features of season three you can watch a Dharma Initiative instructional video "The Orchid" . In this video you see the what I call "Hatchman" explaining a new hatch, a supposed botonacal research station, he is holding a rabbit with the number 15 (just like Ben's with the number 8 as seen in "Everyman for himself") during his explanation of the hatch another rabit appears behind him, also with the number 15. This shows that somthing or someone can be at two places at one time. Phew, that was long
-Third, in the glimpse of Jacob (he can be briefly seen in "The man behind the curtain" it shows a closeup of his eyes and a bit of his face. In "Through the looking glass" this exact same view is shown of Jack through his mirror at the end of the episode.
-What it all means (IMO) Jack, after leaving the island realises that he made a mistake, he will do anything to get back. I believe that he has found the island again, uses the "orchid" to take his future self back in time. Jacob. This is furthered by the two words Jacob says to John "help me". John at first doesn't think this is Jacob, then when he sees Walt he realises this means help jack. This is precisely what he does, he tries to 'Help" jack by stopping him from calling the freighter...

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A bit jumbled, sorry. Also sorry for the spoiler tags.

[Mike87]

Originally Posted by Fadock

Wow... no lost posts in quite a while. Well, this is the REVIVING POST!
Season 4 premieres in exactly one week here in america. I was just recently introduced to season 3 ( idon't have television and just got into lost at the end of season 3). But as of now i am completely caught up!

My impresseions of season 3 and finale:

Spoiler (Highlight to read):

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-I believe the man in the coffin is John Lock
-I believe that Kate's "He" is Sawyer
-I believe that Jacob is Jack (I'll explain later)
-The Losties aren't saved... exactly in the way they had hoped
-I truly believe that the Others aren "bad"

Now, about Jack being Jacob.
-First, their names are very similar.
-Second, on the special features of season three you can watch a Dharma Initiative instructional video "The Orchid" . In this video you see the what I call "Hatchman" explaining a new hatch, a supposed botonacal research station, he is holding a rabbit with the number 15 (just like Ben's with the number 8 as seen in "Everyman for himself") during his explanation of the hatch another rabit appears behind him, also with the number 15. This shows that somthing or someone can be at two places at one time. Phew, that was long
-Third, in the glimpse of Jacob (he can be briefly seen in "The man behind the curtain" it shows a closeup of his eyes and a bit of his face. In "Through the looking glass" this exact same view is shown of Jack through his mirror at the end of the episode.
-What it all means (IMO) Jack, after leaving the island realises that he made a mistake, he will do anything to get back. I believe that he has found the island again, uses the "orchid" to take his future self back in time. Jacob. This is furthered by the two words Jacob says to John "help me". John at first doesn't think this is Jacob, then when he sees Walt he realises this means help jack. This is precisely what he does, he tries to 'Help" jack by stopping him from calling the freighter...

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A bit jumbled, sorry. Also sorry for the spoiler tags.

I've heard something similar, except that

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Jacob is Locke, bith hate technology, both are apprently bald, both have a strong connection to the Island, or Jacob is the Island. Its also implied that Sawyer stays behind on the Island, according to the promo, but who knows?

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poor charlie, why do the good guys die?

Charlie was a whiny little *****, but he became slightly more likable.
Desmond and Locke are my favorite characters.
So was Eko, but the Smoke Monster took care of him.

[AMP1317]

Well the season 3 finale made me a little mad... Haha, but now they're coming out with a Season 4 by jan. 31
It should be interesting, but I liked charlie I thought he was a good character, funny, and he has to help take care of Claire (which IF he is dead then... That REALLY sucks)
In my head I was thinking he wasn't dead (prob cause I didn't want him to be), but I guess we'll see in Season 4.
I personally like Huego because he is funny. XD

[Slime]

So It Begins

[Zien]

I seen some of it but I missed a frew eps. Im planing to watch some I missed at some point.

EDIT: 1000 POSTS! WOOT! ALL BEFORE 120 DAYS!

[BigGoronSword]

Did everybody watch last night's season premiere of season four? Pretty good I'd have to say, however even more questions come out of the show.

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1. Who are the other 3 survivors from the "Oceanic Six"?
2. Who was the other person inside Jacob's cabin?
3. The whispering voices of the jungle have returned...why and where do they originate from?
4. How the heck did Locke know about Charlie's message "Not Penny's Boat" since he wasn't down at the beach and the survivors at the radio tower haven't recieved word of it yet? It deffinentally takes more than 3 minutes to run down the island's mountain. Do you think Walt has anything to do with it?
5. Why are the Oceanic Six keeping secrets about what truely happened on the island from the public? Does the Military Organization (that Naomi and George are a part of... and possibly that "Oceanic Representative" that visited Hurley) have to do with it? Oceanic Six squeal and the remaining survivors on the island die?

Locke's Party consists of: Locke, Hurley, Ben, Desmond, Sawyer, Claire, Rousseau, Alex, Karl, and some extras.

Jack's Party consists of: Jack, Kate, Juliet, Jin, Sun, Harold, Rose, Sayid, and some extras.

6. What do you think happened to Locke's Party that made Hurley regret going on his side?

7. Remember, not ALL "Others" are dead. Ben ordered 10 of his best men to go and infiltrate the survivors' camp. Do you think the remaining "Others" (such as Richard Alpert, who seems to not age for some reason...hmmmm. And the actor isn't returning for the 4th season because of his contract with the TV show Cane. Double hmmmm...) that didn't leave will side with Locke or go on their own?

8. Hurley said to Jack "I think it wants us to come back!". What is "it" refering to? The Island? The monster? Jacob? The Cosmos?

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At the end of the show, they said there would be a special airing of some kind during the commercial breaks of the new TV show "Eli Stone". The commercial told viewers to go to this website: Fly Oceanic Air which shows a video and a man named Sam Thomas who is trying to find the wherabouts of his fiancee who was a flight attendant. At the end of the video the site automatically brings you to another site: Find 815 It's a site where you can register and try to help Sam through "fun and challenging activities" to get him closer to know what exactly happened to the plane.

This isn't the first time I've seen Sam Thomas (I wonder if he'll be shown in season 4), there are five video diaries that can be seen on Lost's mainsite: Lost - Home - ABC.com

-BGS

[Fadock]

BGS pretty much said everything I was going to except....

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In Jacobs cabin there is a man, this man is none other than Christain Shepherd, Jack's father. I first spotted him because of the white shoes. Because of the Vcasts we see Christain talking to Vincent (The dog) before the show even starts. After Jack wakes up we see a white shoe (ones similar to the ones Christain wears in the cabin)
This could mean many, many things.

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Crazy huh?

[Mike87]

Originally Posted by Fadock

BGS pretty much said everything I was going to except....

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In Jacobs cabin there is a man, this man is none other than Christain Shepherd, Jack's father. I first spotted him because of the white shoes. Because of the Vcasts we see Christain talking to Vincent (The dog) before the show even starts. After Jack wakes up we see a white shoe (ones similar to the ones Christain wears in the cabin)
This could mean many, many things.

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Crazy huh?

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Maybe this was what Jack meant when he said "Do you want to bring my dad into this?" In his Flash-Foward. The evidence points to Jacob being Jacks dad. Also, Hurley saw Jacob, I wonder what that means?

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[BigGoronSword]

Originally Posted by Fadock

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Because of the Vcasts we see Christain talking to Vincent (The dog) before the show even starts.

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Crazy huh?

So now the dog can even see "mirages". Is there any way to see the V cast videos? Oh, and where is the dog anyways? I know he isn't that much of an important character (hehe, but he's "more important" than the extras He has a name) but I didn't see him in the season premiere.

-BGS

[Fadock]

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We will be able to see the video on abc.com. Also, one must keep in mind that it is Hurley that saw Jacob, why couldn't John? Or did John see Jacob? Also, any ideas about who the oceanic six may be? We already know about 3 (Jack, Kate and Hurly)

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[AMP1317]

I'm mad at the show (but I still love it no matter what), but they killed off Charlie, one of the shows comic reliefs.
Now I know most people don't like him, but think about Claire... I felt really REALLY bad for her because everyone got reunited except her... And now she's stuck taking care of the baby on her own...
That's the only reason I'm mad... When I saw Charlie with the sun glasses I was like "MAYBE HE'S STILL ALIVE!" but then i remembered I was watching lost, and it was all just an illusion.

[Fadock]

Yeah, Charlie's dead, dead, dead. Although, this being Lost, he could come back as a guest star. My guess is he will quite a lot.

Actually, when I saw him in the premiere I thought he was blind at first.
There's still plenty of comic reliefe though, Hurley, Sawyer, Jin. But somthing tells me the show won't be as light hearted from here on out.

[BigGoronSword]

There's one thing I hope to see in this season's Lost is when the Oceanic Six go on some talk show and explain/lie about what happened on the island. Why would I want to see that? Just because it brings them more into "our world" if it's a talk show host we know (like Oprah). Here's a question that may get answered: Ok, so Oceanic 815 crashed in 2004, correct? Well how long has it been for those "Flash Forwards"? Ok, Jack growing the beard might have taken a few months, but the premiere episode "FF" took how much time since they got off the island.

This isn't much of a spoiler (since the actor has come on talk show programs to talk about it) but, Michael (& Walt) are back for this season. One thing the actor that plays as Michael hopes for his character is for him to sorta redeem himself from the huge betrayal he did against his other survivors (come on, how can you redeem yourself from killing two of your very own, and help in kidnapping four more?).

So more questions arise:
1. Where have Michael and Walt been all this time?
- My guess is they were just in another neighboring island.
2. Is Walt really back, or is this just another vision like the one Shannon saw before she was shot by Anna Lucia?
- My guess is they are visions...
3. How will Michael return?
- I have absolutely no clue, but I hope Walt is with him.

-BGS

[zeldask8r]

somthing tells me the show won't be as light hearted from here on out.

Yeah, things are definately getting hardcore.

one thing I have to adress right away is jacob. What is that thing/person's deal? When hurley got lost in the jungle, he came upon the hut. And lock was inside, plus locke heard jacob say "help me" in the previous episode, so there's obviously a connection between locke and jacob. I'm still puzzled about many things.

-what exactly is that black smoke stuff?
-what are these special properties of the island that aparently people want to discover?
-If the people in the freighter arn't their to rescue the survivors, why are they there?
-Remember last season, when sewer and kate and that girl were rescuing kyle? He was in some sort of "mind control" or "brain washing" facility, what was that all about?
-How exactly did Locke's father get to the island? He blew up the sub, so that's out of the question, so how did he get there? Was it the islands power?


Anyway, We didn't learn much from this new episode, but I'm guessing the writer (if he ever stops striking or things are resolved) will keep the mystery coming. I have heard they plan on continuing the show until 2010, so anything's possible really.

[BigGoronSword]

Originally Posted by zeldask8r

When hurley got lost in the jungle, he came upon the hut. And lock was inside

OH! So that was Lock and Jacob in the cabin. From what other people have said, could Jacob and Jack's Father be one and the same?

plus locke heard jacob say "help me" in the previous episode, so there's obviously a connection between locke and jacob. I'm still puzzled about many things

Locke and Walt are somehow really connected to the island.

-what exactly is that black smoke stuff?

My guess it's what's causing all of these visions on the island (like Kate's horse, Jack's father, Ben's mother, etc...) because when Mr.Ecko "fought" it, it sorta showed synapses of pictures (possibly memories)? But if you want a hard proof of what it is, then I don't know.

-what are these special properties of the island that aparently people want to discover?

It cured Locke's spine/legs. It's making pregnant women die. Somehow making one man live "forever" (it's the native guy that talked to Ben as a child, but even as the years went by, and after the Purge, that native guy never aged one day).

-If the people in the freighter arn't their to rescue the survivors, why are they there?

Government cover-up. Have you seen the movie Resident Evil (or even played the game)? In the movie/game, the Umbrella Corp. Had to seal off the city (and kill everyone) so their secret would remain safe. I think that's what's going to happen to most of the people on the island.

-Remember last season, when sewer and kate and that girl were rescuing kyle? He was in some sort of "mind control" or "brain washing" facility, what was that all about?

sewer? OH! Sawyer! My guess is Ben ordered the Brain Washing so he could be an "Others" soldier without one hint of disobediance.

-How exactly did Locke's father get to the island? He blew up the sub, so that's out of the question, so how did he get there? Was it the islands power?

It's possible that his father was brought to the island BEFORE the sub blew up. But then again, why make so much emphasis about the "secret box" that whatever you imagine will be in there. So it just may be the island's power.

-BGS

[Fadock]

I would say the Island really is Hell, that would explain a lot. But obviously this isn't the case, since some leave.

About Michael, I kinda think that he was "Rescued" by the freighter. Not rescued in the way he was expecting though. It is possible that the Walt that John saw was the Real Walt, that he and Michael wre already on the Island.

Also, If Michael had never done what he did, Jack wouldn't have saved Ben's Life and Met Juliet, If that hadn't have happened they could never have "Gotten Rid of" the Others.

Michael set in motion all of Season 3.

In one of the Missing pieces we find out that room 23 (the brain washing station) is "The Room" that Watl was kept in.... just saying....

[hcfwesker]

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

2. Is Walt really back, or is this just another vision like the one Shannon saw before she was shot by Anna Lucia?

The trick to bringing Walt back is it would ruin the "time illusion" of the show. they've been there for a few months; but Walt, in real life has grown almost a foot and a half... did you see him when he talked to Locke at the end of season 3. I think the writers realized they messed up casting a kid for the show, not realizing how fast they grow, especially at Walt's age. that's why they got them off the island, now they have to figure a way to bring them back, and explain why Walt's so friggin tall.

I love the show, but i really don't like the new direction it's taking. the flash forwards i think are happening because they can't keep doing original plot twistsing flashbacks for too much longer... so flashforwarding gives the writers a whole new angle to write from. it'll take time to get use to, but i know it'll end up being cool once it makes more sense.

[Marshmallow Moo]

My theory is that the island is kinda like purgatory. Does anyone notice that as soon as someone makes up with their past, or gets over their main problem, they die? For example:

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-After Boone was able to "let go" of his sister, he died.
-After Ana-Lucia got soft-hearted and couldn't kill Ben, she died
-After Shannon realized she wasn't completely useless, she died.
-After Eko confessed that he was not sorry for doing the things he needed to do to survive, he died.
-After Charlie got over his drug addiction, he died.
-After Libby got over her husband's death, she died.

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Anyone see a pattern here? So maybe after these people face their fears, they are able to move on? But hey, who knows, it's LOST.

[zeldask8r]

Originally Posted by link_is_my_luvr

My theory is that the island is kinda like purgatory. Does anyone notice that as soon as someone makes up with their past, or gets over their main problem, they die? For example:

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-After Boone was able to "let go" of his sister, he died.
-After Ana-Lucia got soft-hearted and couldn't kill Ben, she died
-After Shannon realized she wasn't completely useless, she died.
-After Eko confessed that he was not sorry for doing the things he needed to do to survive, he died.
-After Charlie got over his drug addiction, he died.
-After Libby got over her husband's death, she died.

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Anyone see a pattern here? So maybe after these people face their fears, they are able to move on? But hey, who knows, it's LOST.

come to think of it, that does make alot of sense. However, we know that 6 of the survivors eventually get off the island (as revealed by the "flashforwards") So, it's probably not purgatory, or hell as someone else mentioned.

My guess it's what's causing all of these visions on the island (like Kate's horse, Jack's father, Ben's mother, etc...) because when Mr.Ecko "fought" it, it sorta showed synapses of pictures (possibly memories)? But if you want a hard proof of what it is, then I don't know.

that makes some sense, although, I have to wonder if possibly this smokey fog stuff is part of the islands power...

Government cover-up.

Oh, that makes sense. Sorry, I've never seen a resident evil movie or videogame (horror survival isn't my thing).

Anywho, I'm REALLY excited for this season. I can tell many things about the island will be answered.